How did DLC steal the spotlight at The Game Awards? | OTP EP 6

Welcome back to off the

console with me today is

high-tech lowlife gardener and our

special guest today Noah and

This is a podcast where we

talk about everything new

exciting tech games

I don't remember the intro that we

usually do so I'm just

going off on this and

also a

really special

Milestone happened

We had a hundred subs on our YouTube

channel for off the console and we're

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The fetaverse we're on there and we're

hitting a lot of downloads there and so

like it's we're super excited

We're gonna be bringing you lots of good

stuff in the future. So

Yeah, let's go through and introduce I

guess a little bit. Um, we'll

start off with our guest Noah

Well, my name is Noah I started and run

steam deck HQ which is a

Press outlet that specifies in steam deck

where we you know cover the news create

guides and review games

On the steam deck and how they perform on

there with optimized settings so you can

play the way you want to so

We'll sometimes provide settings if you

want the best graphics settings if you

want the highest frame rate

and a balance of all of them

If you so choose and that's what I don't

they go to source for steam deck

Stuff. Well, thank you

If you look up steam deck anything almost

always it's gonna be

in the top Google search

Top I'm so glad Google's being nice to us

You deserve it man you

even kick an ass. Yeah. Yeah

Then it's been it's been a long journey

has been two years to longer than two

years, which isn't that

long but it feels long

It does feel very long that we could I

could do a whole rant on that

Right. Okay. So, um, you know just

whoever's first which is high-tech. What

are you playing this week?

Shit, this is a hard one. I've been

trying to explore my steam

library to see if there's any like

Hidden gems that maybe I've just been

overlooking this entire time

We know how we you know how it is man,

you know steam library

You have hundreds of games that you've

probably never touched in your library

It's really really think about it. It's a

huge waste of money, but that's how valve

makes a ton of money

Yep, I mean I open mine

But I don't play them oftentimes I touch

them but not much. Hey, that's still

something that's more than true

That's more than I do with

about 4,000 of my games so

Well, you got me be

Yeah, I only know I only know one other

content creator that's beaten you and

it's the box at 10,000 games. Oh

I

He's the only person I've met that

actually has more games

than I do on Steam and

Everyone else is a bit below which you

know, I was always proud of but now I

don't feel that pride anymore. I

You know, I thought I

had a lot of games with

933 in my library. So

Well, I would say I

would say that's still a lot

I just went overkill like I would I

before doing all this I was a collector

So I would just buy games to just put

them in my library and be

like, oh, well I can play them now

That since I have them but

yeah, I would never play them

Wow, I get that

I've only met one other person that has

More than you Noah and it

now I know two people that has

More more than like 6,000. That's crazy

I think I have around I'll

get there. I'll get there one

If it's steam I have around a thousand

and if it's everything

together probably like

Oh if we're combining others then I

definitely have more than like 4,500, but

I would just I really only look at Steve

Yeah, I think I have about a little over

700 so I had the smallest library here

You're also the youngest

so that makes sense yeah

That's true, I think

You start reviewing games you can start

getting game review copies and stuff.

That's how you build I

can attest to that. Yeah

I can attest to that. Yeah. Yeah, I think

I had like 500 games

before I started doing YouTube

So, yeah, I need to get my games up so

enough about me that what

have you been doing gardener? Oh

Man, I've been playing half-life 2

Anniversary. Oh my god, it's so good

I've been listening to the developer

commentary. That's really

what I've been doing and and

It is just it's as a game developer

It is something that like I relish

because you know you don't get a lot of

insight into the development process

like

There's a lot of minutia

and there's a lot of like

insider

information that you just don't get in

other places and then it's one of the

things that I really

appreciate about the way valve has

Done their games is that they like to

share that stuff even though they're like

a notoriously closed

company, you know

they like to give that kind of insight

and so the fact that

You know half-life episode one and two

had the developer commentary, but the

original half-life 2

didn't have it. It's like

Now that that's out. I'm all here for it.

I'm off. I'm all for it. Oh

man, I

It's so interesting how valve treats. I

don't know if any other company treats

And I see it as you know, we talked about

preservation of games and stuff like that

Legacies and doing that type of

commentary is

Priceless. Yeah to go back and listen to

see how things were built

especially, you know as we build some of

our own games here and

I haven't got to it yet because I know

it's gonna be a time suck.

I'm gonna sit there and just

All day

So gardener. I'm I'm about to dive into

the hole. I haven't

watched the documentary yet

I'm about to dive into it this weekend.

So do I just watch the documentary this

week. It's so good. It's oh

My god, it's like Hollywood level like I

don't want to it's like

Especially towards the end where they're

talking about the lawsuit like you know

the plot twist, right?

You know what happens

how valve manages to?

be the Vandy

It's crazy

Have you watched the documentary Noah?

No, I really haven't watched anything

I've been so free octopus. Yeah

Yeah, I made a video about like the 20th

anniversary and I talked about the

the documentary at length and

Danny O'Dwyer commented on my video like

Dude, I was like, whoa. Holy crap. Danny.

I can watch this my stuff

But yeah, no, that was it was super cool.

Like the the documentary high-tech like

you said is it's really cool to

To see like that there's that level of

like professional production in the games

industry, you know, like

high-tech or secret tape and

No clip. They're just they're doing God's

work as far as I'm concerned

No clip is definitely let me go watch

more of their

documentaries. They're really good

They have one I think for black Mesa.

Yeah, and that I watched

that was really good, too

Black or half-life because I remember the

half-life one the first

maybe it was half-life

They did a 20th

anniversary half-life and then valve

Commissioned a 25th anniversary half-life

Yes

So yeah, they've done extensive half-life

coverage, but no clips

done other stuff, too. So yeah

And that's what I'm

talking about. They have other

documentaries, so

as far as what I'm playing is that I'm

going to be playing half-life this

weekend and I haven't

played a whole lot and

But I have been looking into stalker 2 a

lot because that's

the game. I want to play

soon and

I don't know if you guys have seen it

does not play on Steam

Deck Noah. I'm assuming

Yeah

Tried I tried many

things none of them worked

Man you've got it. I'm gonna have to pick

your brain sometime on all that. So I've

I've written some utilities for

the steam deck over the years, but

on like some tips and tricks and stuff

like that I can script out but um

Yeah, stalker 2 is one that is buggy.

It's a true stalker. If you don't know

what stalker is like the original one

It came out buggy, but was like raw and

Survival esque

Like it is one of the most survival

Oriented games out there in the is so

hardcore at times where you're dying all

the time and I never

beat it because I ran into

A bug and I went to I got too far

To where I want them go through it again.

So I'm really hesitant to

pick up stalker 2, but I

Do it so it's gonna be worth it

Especially if you enjoy the original

stalker if it really does

feel like a stalker game

Which is probably the best that they

could possibly do especially with how

How difficult their

development process was

So I would say this is probably the best

that they could have done and I think

honestly they succeeded like yeah

It's buggy even I found like tons of

different little bugs

I think

Someone found one I did a little video

about how it's running on the steam deck

and someone found a bug

where it was taking a long time for the

World to load in and right as soon as all

of it loaded in there were trees flying

around in the background

They just popped out and I didn't notice

it before so I saw their comment

I went back and I just saw a tree pop

out. I'm like, oh my

god, I didn't even see that

so yeah it but it that's part of the

charm in a way like I

Wouldn't say it becomes too overwhelming

where you can't enjoy the game and

I think that's the biggest

The biggest thing about it. So I I would

say it's still worth playing for sure

It's definitely what I'm gonna pick up

when it a little less

bugs. I'm not shy of bugs

I think they can be fun, but my first

experience was stalker

I didn't get to finish it because I got

so far and I did not want to replay it,

but it was so fun. So

Well, I think as far as I'm aware the day

one patch that released

did fix a good chunk of them

By like trying trying to review the game

with all those before those bugs were

patched. That was that was hard. Okay

It was really hard

Do you finish all your games that you

review or is this yeah, so okay

it's it's something that I

Do feel very strongly about if I'm going

to review a game the least I can do is to

play from start to finish

I don't unless it's a game where I can

more easily hundred percent. I don't

100% it I just I have to experience the

start of the game in the end of the game

So I just don't feel like personally when

it comes to reviewing. I don't feel like

anyone can give a solid

Review for a game unless they've really

played through it. Yeah

So

On the performance side

of it too like in you know

what if there's one part of a game that

really performed poorly and

It goes on for the rest of the game like

maybe the last 20% like

Baldur's Gate 3, you know

What if I only played act 1 & 2 I might

say that it's pretty

good on the steam deck

But as soon as you hit act 3

No, so I feel strongly about playing

through the games that I review you

No, that's good. That's good. It's that's

Impossible for me. I

can't I can't do that much

It's so honest that I before before

reviewing before SC HQ. I almost never

finished games. This is

This is what kind of pushed me to

actually start playing through the games

that I have and then I

just started getting more

And more and now I don't

play my backlog anymore

Mmm

Need to start doing a

backlog review session

If I if I had the time we're you know,

we're working on expanding like I'm I'm

bringing on more

freelancers to work with us. So

One day

We're gonna get one day. Yeah, no, that's

It's impressive still nonetheless. I

usually do if I do anything like that

It's usually overviews or something.

That's like I played the first few hours

And then I read up on like the ending and

to give recommendations on like

stuff like that, but I

Mad respect. What are you

playing these days Noah?

so

The ones I'm playing currently are still

under embargo, but like recently I did

play this new roguelike

called dungeon clawler and

I love it

so it takes you know takes wrote there's

been a bunch of roguelikes that kind of

take these mundane or

different activities that you wouldn't

think about and turn them into a game

like kind of like what

Bellatro did with where then they

Took poker and turned into a roguelike.

So dungeon clawler takes those like

arcade claw machines

and turns into a roguelike

The really like rigged ones where you

like don't win. Yeah, so you have to like

So it's all it's all in a 2d plane

So you have to move your claw from left

to right and then you choose the spot

where you want to you know

Grab down so it goes down tries to get

everything all the objects in the machine

are all physics based

So they can like, you know

not they can just fly away

sometimes it's really obnoxious but

As you're playing through you'll get new

objects and you can upgrade objects and

they all go into the machine

So the machine can have like 30 to 40

different objects and you choose which

ones you want to get

you want to get ones that?

Actually attack the enemy that give you

more defense that modify the other items

you have give you

buffs that kind of thing

Made by it's made by stray fawn studio

and I'm really sorry if I've butchered

their name, but it's the ones who

Who created the wandering village?

Hmm, and I really hope I'm getting that

name right too. So no, I loved it

And I had that I would

highly recommend checking it out

Just released into early access but

that's I would that's the big one that I

was playing the last week

And I loved it

Wow

You I want to give it

so I want to give a shot

Yeah, there's so many games real good

So many games I want to give a shot. So

yeah, you dive into games a lot more. Do

you dive into a lot of hardware or

Modifications like that. I would say I

would say games more often than hardware

but I do tend to dive into

hardware on top of that like I

Want to say last year I was doing

hardware reviews as

well for other handhelds

So like I worked with I

need one X and you know

I reviewed and I have a solid amount of

their hardware just in my

cabinet over there still

And I have reached out to work with them

on future hardware as well

But I think this year I decided to start

focusing more on games and kind of build

that out a little bit more first

since I

Think we can offer or sthq can offer a

unique perspective

when it comes to hardware

Because we focus so much on games. We can

test the newest games

on this hardware, too

You know and it's great to know like what

like some of the classics are like

cyberpunk or blacksmith

wukong are running on these but there's

also a lot of people that want to know

like how is Indiana

Jones gonna run on them and

You know with us focusing on games

We're in the unique position where we can

you know, we can tell we can say how it's

going to run on like day one

so

I've been building out

the games for the most part

But you know, we still do some hardware

stuff here and there and I'm going to

ramp that up a little bit more

I'm probably probably going to be next

year versus the rest of this year, but

something that I'm open to

and I have done in the past

Okay

Yeah, it's just it's really hard to like

Balance all those things. So it is it

that's part of the reason why I

Focused on games more

because it was hard to balance

Especially with the influx of games

coming in and it hasn't really slowed

down like our our October was a nightmare

It was just trying to balance

metaphor

Sword Art Online East X unknown 9

We got so many other games on top of that

It was just way too much happening all at

once and it's been like that

almost every month this year. So

I've decided to just kind of laser focus

instead of trying to do too much

Yeah, I can't believe you there. Yeah,

it's I mean to be honest I

Couldn't imagine doing six. I in year

views and like this in the span of like

three months. That's crazy

It's it's a lot like I

you know, it's

Well, I think I think it becomes easier

once you have a process

Like if you know exactly what you're

going to test depending on

the type of hardware it is

Like is it, you know a Windows PC or is

it a Windows handheld?

Is it an Android handheld? Is it going to

be Linux based? Like I think

It becomes easier when you know exactly

what you're going to be getting

So that you know exactly how you're going

to test it. I would say

there's different tests for each

Each type of hardware or each type of

handheld in this case

Because like when I did a Android

handhelds, I didn't even

think to try to like, you know

Playing the games that I would play on

like the steam deck, you know

I've I went more into emulation and I you

know pushed to see what emulators or what

types of or which consoles from

Emulators perform the

best how they ran how it felt

Playing Android games on

there that kind of thing

so I think once you have like I'm sure

this is what retro retro

game core does because he's a

He's a nut like he he does so much so he

I'm sure he has like some

Method to his madness like he has he

knows exactly what he's going to do based

on the hardware that he's going to get

Yeah mad props to

retro game core who we also

You know, we're gonna advertise that we

have featured we featured him in the

previous episode of his podcast

Anyways mad props to him though, because

I don't think I could do what he does

like I know he does it as a full-time job

But even if like I were a full-time, I

don't know if I would like go through the

madness that is reviewing like seven

Ambernet can helds

They all have the same specs

Yeah, it's it I mean I'm sure he knows

since they all have the same specs

I'm sure he knows exactly

what to do for each one. But

You know, it's it's got to

be a little bit monotonous

Absolutely, man

So here's the thing

No, you play a lot of games so I think

your insight into our main topic for

today is gonna be pretty interesting

You know, so the

nominees for a game of the year

for

2024 came out earlier this week and

I was shocked by

Some of the choices here now we talked

about it last week how they opened up

DLCs and some other stuff to being

able to be

Awards, right? I think part of the game

of game of the year award that is

So I'm really like you've probably played

all of these or at least played

Most of them and at least in the game of

the year, maybe all of

these in every category

But I am really interested to see your

intake on there your

your your take on this

Yeah, so when it for game of the year, I

think they are all solid options

And if if I think the only one that

really sticks out to me that I don't

think or I think is the most can

Like the one that maybe shouldn't be

there would probably be Erdtree and

It I guess it just

depends how you classify

What a full video game is?

Because shadow the Erdtree is a DLC. You

can't access it immediately

you know, it's something where you need

the base game to play it and

Elden ring already was you know had a

release in the past so it being back in

DLC form where it's it's a

fantastic DLC. Don't get me wrong

like it's I would consider an essential

if you have Elden ring, but

Should it be nominated as its own game as

part of the game of the year?

I feel like there were there could have

been you know better options to put there

But of the ones that we do have

Personally, I think Bellattro should win

like

all those games are

listed there are amazing, but

based on just the sheer amount of I

guess attention that it's that has had

since its release and

Consistently the attention to it. I think

Bellattro takes the cake for me

Interesting. So just to help clarify for

some people that are listening and maybe

I didn't see the list

game of the year nominees are

Astrobot Bellattro black myth Wukong

Elden Elden ring shadow of the Urg tree

final fantasy 7 rebirth

metaphor and I can't even

Refend Tazio and

and

Just to like comment

real quick on that know it

If they packaged Urg tree as let's say

Elden ring Urg tree not a DLC

Would that change your mind on the Bella

outro kind of thing? I?

Don't think it would change my mind on

Bellattro purely

because again Bellattro's

Impact has been monumental ever since its

release. I don't think we

can I can get around that

I think the only game that really has a

chance to unseat it would probably be

black myth Wukong and

You know Wukong is a great game

But personally I didn't feel like it did

anything different

that I haven't seen before

Like I've seen more

faster paced souls like games

and you know black myth Wukong might not

be considered a souls like

game, but I consider it one and

You know they're great and black myth is

a really great game, and it absolutely

deserves to be on that list

No 100% deserves to be there

but it didn't

wow me

with uniqueness

Like Bellattro did and even like Astrobot

Astrobot wowed me a bit more too

And it's you know it's a 3d platformer

But it was the it's the only game outside

of like the Super Mario series that has

given me that holy crap

kind of feeling when playing it

in like 3d platformers, but I

Don't I don't know if I could I don't

think anything will change my mind that

Bellattro should win

game of the year just based

On the sheer impact that it's had I mean

it's been at the top of

the charts and talked about

Everywhere ever since it was released and

even when it released on like mobile

platforms on like phones

It's at the top of the charts there, too

Like I don't think I can ignore

that kind of impact

and

That I think that's why it will always

take the cake for me

at least for this year

For urge tree, I think if

it was packaged like that

It would still I would I would say that

Yeah, it could be on that list if it was

more standalone than yes

I would say I only asked

that because experiences

it's really hard cuz putting DLC on this

is kind of just a little ridiculous, but

at the same time if

it's that amazing like

Which are three their DLCs? I think are

better than the base game in my opinion

If they put that on game of the year, I'd

probably vote for it. I'm just cuz I

Best experience I've had gaming that year

Now

We got your vote on this

Gardener what's your vote and then we can

let's let's see what

high-tech has to say. I'm curious

So besides Bellattro the only game that I

had heard of before this list came out

was black myth Wukong

Does that make me old?

Maybe

You didn't know about metaphor or I

forgot that final, okay, dude

Metaphor refant as you know

The first time I heard about that was I

was watching one of riches videos and he

was talking about that and I was like

What the hell is metaphor refant as you

know, what does that even mean?

so like I legitimately like I

Bellattro is the only game on that list

that I've played and I love it. So

That's gonna be my get

my my vote right there

so

just up I

Have not played any of the games on this

game of the year list this

year. I've played only like

Apparently substandard games. No, I've

only played um off the

cuff games that are like

Not or catching up on my backlog.

Whatever it is. Like I did a lot of

catching up on my backlog with steam deck

But I had not played any of these yet.

They're all games. I want to get to but I

have not played him yet

so that's funny that you

Have only played one so at

least you got one up on me

I mean if you get the chance, do you do

you like the persona series or have you

played the persona series? I

Don't think I've ever

heard of that either

Really personas pretty good is persona

five. I'm still trying

to get through that too

That's why I haven't got to metaphor

because I'm like I'm halfway through

persona five on the steam deck

No, Matt metaphor is a great

I would say it's a step above

Persona five in terms of mechanics for

sure. The story is still

very solid, but I really like

Some of the new mechanics that they

introduced with metaphor with the

archetype system and I do like that

You can attack some of the weaker enemies

really easily outside of combat and just

kill them and you get experience

You know nice little way to grind without

having to go into

turn-based battles the entire time

That sounds a little bit like earthbound

Like once you get to a certain level in

earthbound, you don't have

to fight low-level enemies

You just said essentially yeah

And I think the first time that I started

seeing this like on like a more recent

scale was probably a

trails through daybreak

They they had

something very similar to that

But yeah, no metaphor is an incredible

really incredible game

And I it would be it would probably be my

personal game of the year if Bellatra

wasn't on there because like I

Feel like they really

hit it out of the park

I was gonna say it's not it

I haven't even played it yet, but

metaphors the one that I would almost

vote for even though Astro bot

The demo that I played on ps5 was great

I haven't played that this though, but

the demo that they had was

amazing and my kids love it

Like so it's like a win for me because

everyone enjoys it but

Hi tech, what are you enjoying?

Well out of this list, I guess

Well, you know if Elden Ring shadow of

the earth tree was its own game

I might I would probably vote for that

but you know, I'm not gonna vote for a

DLC based on principle

Regardless of how good the DLC is. I'm

the DLC is really good, but still

I think my vote is gonna go for Bellatro

because it's the only game on this list

that hat that's done that

has done something different

And it's carried almost entirely through

the strength of the gameplay alone

There's no characters

no voice acting no story

no

It doesn't have like super detailed

graphics in terms of like super high

fidelity graphics either and

I'm like Astro bot. It doesn't rely on

cameos from

PlayStation's history like, you know, I

Don't think that's a knock. That's that's

not fair to knock that

To be honest, that's probably

one of the highlights for me

I love seeing some of those characters

return and makes me

actually more upset that

PlayStation or Sony doesn't go back to

those series and like I would give

anything for a new ape

escape game. Come on, please

I'm not saying as a knock against Sony or

Astro, but what I'm saying is that

Bellatro make making it

this far without relying on

Everything else that makes

a game besides I don't know

Graphics like, you know cards

The gameplay the strength of the gameplay

alone carrying it is something you don't

really see from game of the year from

like a game of the year

category

Because usually, you know game of the

year categories, you know

The candidates are generally speaking

Games that have either, you know, really

good graphics or like a

really compelling story

Or you know in the case of from software

is a Souls like I guess

I'm not sure I'm not sure

Dark Souls does a lot of creative games

I tend to be like this and creative games

can be from a bunch of

different elements, right?

and Bellatro would be an interesting one

because it's card based and it's

so if this wins it

will be probably the the I

Don't want to set that weirdest game of

the year because it's so different

Then all the other game

of year winners in the past

I think the one you're

looking for is controversial. I

Don't even know if I'd

say it's controversial

Just you know, I just say unique a weird

is just a fun way to put up a unique

I think I agree with

that. I think it would be

Probably the most unique

game that's one game of the year

like I feel like all game of the years do

follow a similar trend and

Like and personally as

much as I want Bellatro to win

I do I have an inkling that

black myth will probably win

You know because it did it did hit really

hard when it did come out and it was a

massive success and it's

very heavily influenced by a very

interesting mythology and I think I

Think it fits the

category of game of the year more

but I

Still personally

believe Bellatros impact was

Significant not just in terms of the game

itself. Like you said, they didn't rely

on anything really other than a very

Addicting gameplay loop which succeeds

phenomenally

But this would be this is an indie game

as well. This is a solo developer

So on top of on top of it not having

those elements. It's also an

independently developed

Game made by one person and I don't think

any game that's been game

of the year has had had has

You know been developed like that. So I

think it would be massive

for the indie scene as well

I think it would be a great way of

showing like, you know

Indies are just as good if not better

than a lot of bigger productions

Yeah, I mean that's most that that's

pretty much only this stuff that I play

is indie games like and

then you know half-life

Like valve games, you know

Yeah, so the size of their teams like

indie, right? Yeah, they're pretty small

They're less than 300 people at valve

which and that's that's including like

this support staff and

that's like everyone not

Yeah people that like they have multiple

projects going on all the time and like

the way that they do stuff is fascinating

But another topic another time

So I will say one more thing too

I will say I've noticed a lot of trends

surrounding blotchos

You know the biggest trend on the

internet is like people

saying what the hell is blotchow?

How did a card game get over?

I don't know persona 3 or stellar blade

or whatever and then later

they someone buys them the game

They play and they're like, oh my bad

I didn't know how good it was and then

they completely changed their mind and

it's crazy also another thing

This isn't a topic that's listed

But blotchows mobile release managed to

knock minecraft off of the top chart

topic page games chart, yeah

Again, that's the in balatros impact

across the board ever since its release

has been astronomical

I I don't think any game has come close

to it this year. Hmm

Yeah, I'd love to see more indie games

get this kind of recognition because

there's so many great innovative titles

And they never get the kind of

recognition that they deserve

I feel like

Haven't they usually in the game the year

like have one indie game seems like in

the past or maybe I'm

just thinking of double

A I mean, it's more double a stuff that I

as far as I can recall

like some indie games

Yeah

Yeah, I mean something the worst part

about it is I feel like I

Feel like Indies are really the only

games that can and do take a lot of risks

and try to do something

Different and I think Bellatros a great

example of that. I don't know any double

a or triple a studio that would think hey

Let's make a poker roguelite game

I don't think anyone anyone would really

attempt doing that other than you know an

independent studio or

a solo developer and

I think that yeah that

kind of motive it goes across

You know through all kinds of indie

games. I mean the game I just talked

about dungeon clawler is

a claw machine roguelike

I don't think any double a or triple a

studio would try making something like

that because they don't

know how it's going to perform

Yeah, interesting, yeah, I

I

I'm curious like what will win black I

As much as black myth that I saw all the

trailers. I've seen all the stuff on

this. I've read the stuff

I haven't I just haven't played him. I

just

Black myth didn't seem very interesting

to me even though the the

mythology behind it's awesome

I love that part. It's just I always saw

the gameplay and I don't know what it is

It just didn't but then again. I haven't

beaten Elden ring either. I play Elden

ring every once in a while

we're um

The souls likes are not my my jam

Even though I do understand like Elden

ring is like a classic and I

need to go through and play it

I

Ballotro is like I like hard games, but I

have I don't know what it is

I knew that it was gonna be addictive and

I haven't touched it, but I'm going to I

promise by the time we do the last

Dangerous, it's really dangerous as soon

as soon as you play it's

gonna be very hard to put it down

like that's my I've almost fallen back

into that trap a couple of times lately

where I would play one

round and I just I just

Couldn't stop playing and I just had to

force myself to stop because

I needed to play other games

It's really hard to stay away from it

But black myth itself

is a really solid game

It's just like you said it just doesn't

it didn't feel like it did

anything. I haven't seen before

Yeah

Yeah, no, I'll have to I had to give all

these a try obviously but

Other categories like

so many other categories

Curious I was scrolling through the list

and I came on came upon

best performance and I was like

Oh, they're appreciating games that are

well optimized and then I was like, what

the hell is Humberley Gonzalez?

That's my favorite game

My favorite game Humberley Gonzalez

Do I realize it was like a category is

most optimized and yeah buggy like they

need to write like that

Well imagine what the industry would be

like if they actually appreciated that

kind of stuff, you know,

I think quality software

That means all these are doing that

I think they really need to start doing

that because there's so many releases

especially on PC so many releases where

It's just so buggy and they need this

like day one patch,

which I feel like it's such a

ridiculous

norm that we've settled into where we

just expect games that

have a day one patch and

It's just kind of

ridiculous to me. Yeah games. So

Here's the thing games have gotten

ridiculously more

complicated over the decades people

I I've had to talk about

this topic so many times

Because people are like well, they used

to make games flawlessly, you know 20 30

years ago. I'm like, yeah

Well first off they had a ship it that

way they couldn't update it

second, they were

Frastically simpler there is not the

complexities like once

you put physics in alone

That's when you saw a lot of bugs start

to go into games once you start adding

physics then things become crazy

and so I

Give a little leeway to that but some of

these day one patches you're right like

are just ridiculous and

and it really shows it's more or less I

think the publisher and the

The top, you know brass saying hey, it

has to be released at this time

Doesn't matter if it's ready or not.

We'll make it ready

and then on top of that

Steam it's not as bad. But on the

consoles they have to start printing or

If it's a disc they have to start

creating those discs early. So yeah

Yeah, going gold is not as much of a

thing anymore going day one

patches something now. Yeah

It's just the way the industry is they

would put best day one patch category in

before they put in best optimized

You know what? I'm here for it at this

point. I'm here for it. I

Actually, I would love that

So I think I'd more than more than that

the thing that really gets me when it

comes to like games and how they release

Is how much some

titles rely on upscaling?

Over more optimization going into it like

I understand that for some games are so

advanced that they really need

upscaling but I don't feel

like I've seen a game that like

That has been so advanced where the only

thing I could think of is yet

Upscaling needs to be in there because

like there are some games where they ask

for upscaling just to play a 1080p

Which I don't think yeah, I

don't think should be a thing

Is that with what hardware though?

Well, it's a new hardware when they're

with the recommended specs

They'll always put what kind of upscaling

that that they recommend

the one that comes to my mind

It might have changed from later patches

But if I remember correctly Alan wake 2

was one of those games where they

recommended upscaling for almost all of

their recommended specs

Yeah, that's a hard one cuz Alan wake 2

is so good and the way that

they do their fantastic filters

It doesn't matter to me

Upscaling is one of those weird things. I

think it's a huge win for the industry

but

It's for the mobile market. I think more

for handhelds that is

so for steam deck awesome

Do it so we can play any game. Let's

upscale. Let's optimize it for that.

Okay, I understand that

For yeah beefy games

That's bizarre

And I don't know

I

Doing Unreal engine and optimizing it can

definitely be done and if they actually

hired people to opt like they could hire

teams that are specialized in

Optimizing and optimize a lot of these

games. They don't I don't know why

but money

No, I

Yes, but technically if it was money if

they had good auditors like they would

see like no it would

be worth the money to

do that

it's

They're just crazy. We already know like

the down. I did it. I

did a poll on my channel

Early this week like what are you here

for with the game industry right now?

Like what it's you're more most

interested in people are like the

downside the downfall of

triple-a. That's what they put

There is some legitimacy to that though

I think some triple-a games are truly

amazing and I don't want to

see like all of them go down

But I think some of the bigger studios or

bigger publishers have gotten very

Comfortable being a little

bit more on the greedy side

You know and and and I think the the one

that comes to my mind the

most is probably Ubisoft

Oh God

You know with their reliance on the you

know Ubisoft connect

And then the way they started going into

epic games, and they just refused to come

back to steam and that's changed recently

I mean they just released Star Wars

outlaws on steam and they're releasing

Assassin's Creed shadows on Steam day one

So it looks like they're starting to turn

over and be like okay

Maybe we should not keep doing this, but

they were very pushy

about going into their own

Going through their own DRM and you still

do have to it's just now

you can do it through steam

And then there's like PlayStation when

they started injecting the PlayStation

overlay into their games

And you know that locks out

the the entire multiplayer

Section of go susushima like we can't

play that and even

though it's not around anymore

Concord we can't we wouldn't be able to

play that because

there's no support for Linux

So and then we have

companies like rockstar with GTA

I and they implemented battle eye into

GTA online, but refused

to enable it for Linux

So you can't play it

on Steam Deck anymore

like I

Can see why a lot of people would want

the downfall of triple-a games, but then

you still have games like

That are on the game of the year list

like metaphor refuntazio like that's a

that's a triple-a game, but it's amazing

but but their studio and their and

Is that just Atlas? Yes?

Yeah

They have a very strong

Directed or like direction like they're

they make very similar games

they're very thought-provoking and I'd be

really shocked if

they deviated a lot of I

Feel like I believe it's a Japanese

studio right? Yeah,

they're under Sega yeah

So my thing is like I I

would really like the downfall of

Publishers, I don't

want a triple-a developers

Like studios to go away because what I

would like to see is triple-a studios

Making indie style games and taking risks

and doing things and I

feel like it's the publishers

Who have like all of the financial

incentive to like give these

studios tons and tons of money?

So that they're in debt to them

essentially. It's it's it's

a totally inverted wave of

Like being creative. It doesn't make any

sense. It's predatory. It's pretty sorry

exactly. It's very predatory

It's very it what what it is is that what

happened is a lot of money

came into games which helped

drive like

We can make a living off of it

but with it came investors and when you

get investment companies and

You're gonna get predatory investment

companies come in and what they'll do is

they'll buy up companies for their IP and

stuff like that start harvesting

embrace it

Yeah, my first thought and so

Exactly you're gonna run

into that type of thing which is

It's hard because if

it that if triple-a dies

Those developers are gonna be hurting

really hard for a while

and so what needs to happen either is a

huge restructuring of triple-a like

leadership at the top

that actually cares or

Monopoly breaking up monopolies or

something like that, but I don't know if

that would ever happen

I

Monopoly breakup would happen. I think a

restructuring is a

really good idea though

Like at least for the the companies that

are pushing it too much.

I would say PlayStation

Xbox is absolutely

pushing it way too much

EA definitely does to some degree as well

Rockstar has been but there you know, I

think a restructuring for for

These companies with you know leadership

that actually cares about the games and

cares about the gamers themselves

Would be really beneficial

to the industry as a whole

So I do want to say that. Sorry. I just

want to say that uh,

yeah the games industry

That's part of the reason why I want

blotch to win because I want

the major triple-a developers

I mean publishers so to speak I just want

them to see this game

that one game of the year and

it's almost entirely gameplay focused and

it's very unlikely that

this will happen, but I

Ideally would want them to

look at this game and then just

recalibrate the entire triple-a games

industry to focus

more on video and like on

Gameplay cuz let's look at metaphor.

Refantasia. That's a triple you would

consider that a triple-a game, right?

Yeah, no, it's triple-a

But I would also probably consider to be

a lot cheaper than something like Suicide

Squad kill the Justice League, right?

Maybe maybe not a lot cheaper but

Probably because there's no license a

medical is probably cheaper to make but I

don't know how much cheaper

But I think another thing too is that

life service games

are infamously expensive

Like think about I remember many many

years ago people were trying to launch

their own like MMORPGs to strike compete

with World of Warcraft

But people but developers oftentimes they

didn't realize how expensive run an MMO

really was and I mean

not to say that live service games are as

expensive as MMS, but I

Kind of see it that way. No, but the way

the data flows they can get

about this very similar now

The difference is back when World of

Warcraft first came out. I

know people didn't like their

Monthly fees but for back then running

those types of servers. Yeah, that's

Made a lot of sense

nowadays, it's

fraction fraction of the price to run

those same servers and so

live action could be pricey I

Wouldn't run a live action unless I was

making a monthly income personally

Like I just wouldn't because you gotta

have to rely on that

Income over time to make sure like if

someone buys it once and

plays it for five years

It might not end up

being a win on that. I

Think when it comes to live service, it

can be extremely

profitable overall though

Yeah, especially if they do I think I

think the monthly thing would

be would be probably the most

Most appealing to like publishers, but I

think to really make the most money the

whole season and battle pass style is

Doing the best. Let me just add a

correction when I say

monthly I meant like buying skins

Okay, all that like

Battle pass I battle passes whatever it

is. That's what I kind

of mean by monthly income

They hide a monthly payment behind

Loot boxes and everything else is kind of

got it. I was thinking I was thinking

something like Final Fantasy 14 or no

You know World War craft found fancy 14

is probably I would consider the most one

of the most successful like MMOs

You know I or like

quote-unquote life service

that exists

But I think of all the games I've seen

that do live service. I

think fortnight has the best

Structure right now, and I think is the

most appealing overall for me

But everyone's trying to just chase it

It's not a games industry without coat

without chasing the coattails of a

successful game, right?

Yes, sure. No, if only they would they

would chase Bellatro

They might I've seen a bunch of indie

games try to make like casino like games

They think Bellatro, but like instead of

poker. It's like rule it or

some or something like that

Speaking of which I want to see I want to

see the bigger studios

chase it not not just Indies

Yeah, so it also says best game direct

and I see that best game

direction is just the same

Nominees as game of the year. What is

game direction really in this case?

Directors directing the game like right

That's probably the best way to explain

it so like game of the year

I guess looks at the overall game whereas

the best game direction is like how is

the game structured?

Like how what choices did they make to

create the game and you know how well

does it all you know work together to get

From one to the other that that's my

interpretation. I don't actually know the specific

Description behind best game direction,

but I assume it's you know closer to like

best director when it comes to

Movies. Yeah, it's piecing the whole

thing together the whole game and

everything. It's an

interesting category though

And it's interesting that they chose the

same games exactly as game of the year

Yeah, that's that's true. I don't know I

like I like Bellatro, but

going based off of my definition

I don't know if they would be there. I

Would not be there I would not like

Last of us would be a good example of

like how the direction

goes in that game and how

The story goes and everything like they

pieced it together really well, but

Yeah, like some of these

other ones. It's interesting

Maybe this game direction is something

more akin to like the best

Gameplay itself like instead of saying

best gameplay at the best gameplay

You know I could maybe see that because I

would say Bellatro has some of the best

gameplay elements that

I've seen in most games

but

It's not

Direction it's yeah, it's interesting

just just an idea. Yeah, I'm not I'm not

a hundred percent sure I

I'm really curious

I'm really curious

Best adaptation like did

you guys watch anything?

This year that was based on any of these

no, it's probably our cane

our canes probably gonna win

Let's be honest. Yeah, our cane is a

hundred percent gonna win even though.

I've really liked Fallout

The only two I did see

was arcane and fallout

But arcane is amazing everyone should

watch it even if you don't

like League of Legends it

Season one and two is just amazing

When when did Amazon buy MGM Studios?

Mmm, that's a good

question. Let me find out

I'll do some research for us

right here live in the flesh

And I didn't know that there was a

knuckles show or is that a movie?

Paramount it's a show. It's a I think

it's a limited show. Yeah, it's like six

episodes or something like that. Wow

Okay

It was

2023 May 2023 was when Amazon bought MGM

which is crazy. I've had a part of this

They bought it from Disney

right because Disney owned MGM

They must have I mean I can see Amazon

buying and they they have Amazon money

Disney has Disney money

Amazon money. I think that money is a

little more valuable than

Disney money at this point

Maybe I don't know

Disney's kind of going up and down, but

they've still they're

still one of the most iconic

Studios in existence. I

don't think that's gonna change

well, and their holdings

is where you want to look so

Amazon

Burns their money

because they're always growing

growing the beast, but

so anyone else like see any of you like I

We already like established like Arkane's

gonna win but yeah, I

Haven't seen I haven't seen any of them.

I've heard how amazing

Arkane is and on my list and

Like a dragon Yakuza was also on my list,

but I don't know it. I've I've

heard some some info about it

I love the series. It's my fate one of my

three favorite jrpg series is the whole

like a dragon Yakuza series and

I don't know. I've heard mixed feelings

about about the show

I don't know if I'm like really is

interested in it anymore, especially

since the series is so well made

like it's

incredible

I've heard it wasn't a great adaptation,

but I also haven't seen

Like a dragon Yakuza yet, so perhaps

maybe I'll watch that

later in the meantime though

There's also best narrative and I'm

inclined to believe that metaphor is

gonna win that one. I don't know buddy

I don't know what you guys think

To me. It's it's

between the top three. It's

Rebirth infinite wealth or metaphor. I

really liked infinite wealth

I really really liked it, especially if

you follow along with the

series. There were so many

moments and callbacks and

just seeing how Kiryu is

Sent off like it's beautiful

But it's really it's going to be really

hard for infinite wealth to

topple rebirth or metaphor

so it's one of those three for me and

Honestly, I think I think

it's going to be rebirth

As much as I would rather it be metaphor.

I think rebirth is gonna take it

It'll be interesting

See it. Yeah, it will be it sound held to

is a little bit of an

interesting one there, too

Mm-hmm. It sounded two's fantastic. It's

just I don't think it holds a candle

narratively narratively

To those top three that's kind of like my

point is that it's an

it's an interesting one

What other because we I don't think we're

gonna have time to cover

every single one of these but no

What what

Gardener which one are you most

interested in? I'm curious in terms of

category. Yeah, like

there's the independent games

I'm assuming maybe you've played some of

those. Oh, yeah, dude

independent games animal well

That's my clear winner animal. Well has

like consumed so much

of my time this year

God damn animal is so

good. It's a Metroidvania

with like a very

distinct pixel art aesthetic but like

everything's like covered

in like beautiful shaders

I don't know and the gameplay

tells you

Absolutely. Nothing. You have to figure

everything out like it's 1986 dude. Like

it's freaking awesome

I love animal well so much that is my

personal game of the year. Probably I I

absolutely love animal well

Well amazing

absolutely phenomenal I

I've had the the pleasure of

at some of the events actually talking to

The developer behind it. His name is

Billy and I I worked with him doing some

Some optimization and

testing before release

It's it's so phenomenal. Like it I think

the two the best independent game and

best debut indie game are

probably my two favorite

Categories right now just because every

single game there is just

fantastic

Like and they all feel very unique in

what they do on top of that. So

You know, yeah, I've given mannerlords a

try. I haven't played a lot of it, but

it's exactly my kind of game

And it's fantastic. Oh, man, it's so good

So there is one

category I want to rant about

best fighting game

Multiverses is on there again

despite multiverses

winning like two or three years ago and

They shut the game down

for like a year and a half

Only to bring it back even slower and

there's just a lot of baffling

Decisions on like a character balancing

and whatnot because I understand it's

supposed to be like a TV 2 game

But I don't think it's

deserving of being even on the list

No, I mean didn't we talk about that last

week like multiverses had

some issue again last week. Ah

Yeah, we talked about

it in the past episode

I and I think it was WB as a whole but

yes multiverses was included too

They were like talking about how much of

a disappointment it was or whatever

In terms of revenue, I think the two the

two on the fighting game that like made

me kind of do a double take was probably

multiverses and then the

Marvel versus Capcom fighting collection

I but I was thinking about a little bit

more just Marvel versus Capcom

Does have some new elements to it that

were never in the original

games like online multiplayer

So I would say that it it deserves a spot

there more than multiverses does

But if I'm looking at who will actually

win, I think it's going to be between

Dragon Ball and Tekken

Now I think the one of those two are

going to take the cake

I think it's going to end up being Tekken

because it's a much

better technical fighter

But personally Dragon Ball is my favorite

fighting game this year

Really? I do like the

Dragon Balls off to give it a try

I'm a I'm a big Budokai Tenkaichi fan and

I've loved it ever

since ever since the release

So when they you know announced the next

entry in the series, I was already hooked

like I absolutely loved it

Yeah, and there's a

lot of other categories

I honestly don't care about like best

eSport or best eSport

athlete or best eSport team and

Usually content of the content creator of

the year doesn't matter that much but

it's gonna be an

interesting fight between

It's realistically just a fight between

K. So who I don't I

don't watch his streams and

Usada Picora a VTuber from holo life who

I also don't watch her streams either

Interesting

Interesting what I'm actually curious

about and I'd like to get your guys take

on it is the most

anticipated game category

Because I think whenever someone sees it

they I think everyone's going to

immediately go to GTA 6

But I'm curious where you guys stand on

like what your most

anticipated game next year is

I'm for for me, but I'm not gonna buy it

because I hate it. I know oh

Shit lately. I don't know

man out of this entire list

Yeah, I'm gonna I'm not sure I mean

GTA 6 is probably gonna be when I buy for

sure. I don't know they're

all games. I want to try out

Probably yeah, I think I'm curious to see

what Kojima will do with

death stranding too though

if if Kojima really is

a genius or if he's a

Runny's a genius. Yeah, he's there's no

geniuses can have flops. Come on. Yeah

No, I even with its flaws

I really like death stranding and it's

it's hard it's hard to look at Kojima's

work and and say that

he doesn't have a very

Intricate genius to him

with what he tries to do

I really like that he he really tries to

mold and while it I don't

think it's always successful

He tries to mold movies and video games

into one media and I think the way he

does it is very interesting

It's just not always successful

Creativity as

Problems right like you have you always

have duds when doing

creative work. It's just really hard

Yeah, but I think I think even even in

those flaws there is

still genius there and

It's it's hard to not look at like the

Metal Gear series and and say

yeah, no, it's just beautiful

The way he the way Kojima tell stories

can be very convoluted though

I think that's I think that's the biggest

thing for me. I I'm a huge

fan of convoluted stories

Like I love Kingdom Hearts. That's

probably one of the most convoluted

stories in video game history

because you you still don't understand

after eight games in like what something

in the first game was like but I

Think and Kojima does something very

similar where it's very convoluted.

There's a lot of information and

Sometimes not all of

it's explained, you know

Well, but I would say there's still a lot

of beauty to the stuff

that he creates. Oh, oh, yeah

I love Metal Gear. Yeah, I didn't I

didn't play Death Stranding, but I really

like watching video game. Donkeys like

repeated mockery

I think it's an

interesting experiment on what

I'm not really sure what

Kojima was trying to do

But I do think it's an interesting

experiment to be honest

I I am curious as to what Death Stranding

2 will be like as I'm not

gonna debate Kojima's genius

But one has to wonder how many but one

has to wonder what his plans

are if maybe his plans are so

genius or incomprehensible

to the mere mortal such as I I

Think I I feel like

Death Stranding was more experimental

with what he was trying to

do. He was trying to see how

The type of gameplay he wanted to do

would work in his style

So I think Death Stranding 2 is gonna be

more refinement on that

I think it's gonna be very similar, but

it's going to be much more refined and

Hopefully more enjoyable to play overall

Yeah, yes, I

Well, okay one last little thing on the

Anticipated game of next year. Do you

think GTs GTA 6 is

actually come out? I don't know I

Do I I think I think it is I think

they've hyped it up too much at this

point where if they keep delaying it

It's just going actually no, I think they

could keep delaying and it's GTA

I think rockstar can get away with

anything GTA online. I

don't think it's Prince money

I don't think it's going to be I I think

it's going to come out next year

I think it probably will it'll be their

very own half-life 3 where it's just

Endlessly and then they

stopped talking about it

Is coming out next year now. We will be

out next year now. Here's a question

That's what I was gonna say. That's what

I was saying earlier if valve had an if

valve announced half-life 3 or

HLX

Half-life X will just call it if

half-life X was announced

and was in the list with GTA 6

Who do you think would win still?

GTA 6 would win, but yeah

Just because half-life such a phenomena

at this point. I think GTA eclipses

I would say probably

eclipses every single game in

Existence just yeah

based on how popular it is

I think it's a it is the most popular

video game of all time. I disagree

You have to think about the audience

really I mean for us James.

It would be the most popular

I would make it half-life. I'd find a way

to bribe all those

judges. It's gonna be half-life

Influence I will influence it I will take

the influencer part of what a this all is

and influence it no I

You're probably right

though like a hundred percent GT

Even I've seen like with the

way valve does innovation I

Think would be really hard because I

think if half-life 3 does come out doubt

it, but if it does it would be

so amazing, but you're like like a lot of

people still won't play it because people

like the GTA style and

It just yeah, everyone's

played GTA at this point I

Think I think half-life if we're looking

at just PC games half-life might stand a

chance just against

GTA 6 on PC specifically

But on an overall basis GTA 6 is gonna

win out even even if half-life released

on consoles GTA 6 would still win out

Agree

So speaking of game awards steam deck HQ.

I mean steamed egg gaming sorry

Is running ran a poll say asking people

Asking people if they want to run their

own game awards show for

like the steam deck and

85.7% of people voted yes

So what are you guys thoughts on this?

Neat, I like it. I

Think I think it can be done

and it just needs to be very I

Think you need to be careful with it

because I think you do

have to stay on topic

You know you do I think if you're gonna

do a steam deck game award show

you do have to

Really make sure the games

that you're bringing up are

Compatible with the steam deck. That's

you know, probably one

of the biggest things

but

If you're just gonna

do like the game awards

And you're gonna take those categories

and put them into a steam deck award show

and it's just gonna be steam that games

I don't think that's really great either

Like I think they're I think it would be

really interesting to see a game award

show that kind of goes into some more

steam deck specific

awards or steam deck specific

categories and

You know, I think I think if you can do

that and there's a solid production to

it. That would be pretty good

I would say it'd be awesome to see

Yeah, so I have heard that OTK. I'm the

group that a streamer group essentially

essentially

Consulted Joff Keighley for advice on how

to run their own award show. I don't

think it's for games

I think it's for like streamers and stuff

But like yeah, if you could get Joff

Keighley's advice on how to run your own

award show it might be a success

Whoever wants to run their own award show

But you know you

hard-pressed a note. Yeah

It just depends on what you're expecting

if you're you're probably

gonna need to lie in the middle

You can't probably make it too cheap, but

you can't make it too expensive because

the steam deck community is not massive

It's big but not

massive. It's not Nintendo

It's not you know

It's growing and so as long as you keep

that in mind and do like three maybe

Three to five awards and just keep it to

a half hour or something like that and

not really do anything too flashy

But still really good production. I think

it'd be successful. I

think anything else is gonna be

oftentimes

Just a huge spend on money unless you

have really good sponsors. I

Think I think my I think it could be

successful if they do more

like if it is a little bit longer

I think the biggest thing was will the

the amount of viewers that you would get

justify the time spent on it

like I'm I think that would be my only

thing because you're you're right, it's

this is a niche category and

There is you don't have the same audience

that like general game awards do or

Nintendo would do or

You know, it's it's it's much more

There really isn't as many

People that are as

interested in this kind of thing

I do think it can it can break out if

it's done correctly though

I I do think it could expand to just

people who are curious like oh, there's a

steam deck game awards

What's that about and I think it could

get people more interested in it that

could expand past

like the the steam deck?

space I

Think how I'd want to see it maybe is

valve actually being the curators of it

and actually working with

content creators a

Lot of content creators. So that'd be a

fun one, too. It'd be fun

Let's just see it done differently. I

think then a very flashy

expensive game of the year because

Let's leave let's be honest

like e3 game of the game awards

You know the game of the year awards

whatever is a little flashy and there's

it's if you read the chat

It's so negative all the time

It is really difficult because no one's

gonna agree on it and no one can under

like and a lot of

people can't understand the

Like hey, you might love your game

But this is just a fun thing where people

are gonna say hey, this is a good one

this we like this and sometimes it's

maybe influenced with a little bit of a

money or power but that's the part that's

a little frustrating but I

Think it'd just be fun to

see a really fun community

content creator steam deck awards more

than just like maybe an individual or

One group, but that's hard

Like a community run like award that

would be that would

be the standard though

The big question now is how can you

organize such thing

because valve award shoes are?

Yeah, you'd have to have valve

Man having valve as once as a sponsor

would be one hell of a sponsor. Let's be

fair not even spots, but just like

Coordinating it it would be the best way

because then they you know, but once

again, they're not a big company

And so they'd have to

decide on something like that

or have someone that's

You usually have to have

a director or some type of

Person that's gonna be

Setting the whole thing up and yeah

so

SDG if they want to do that like that's

awesome and then include a bunch of

people that make it a lot easier

And you don't have to pay as many people

Yeah

No, I I can see I can see the entire

premise being a popular honor. It just it

really does depend on how

How it's I guess how how it comes out

like what kind of effort

that's put into it and and how

And if people are involved who are the

people involved in how is

it? How is it going to be?

portrayed

Yes

So speaking of the steam deck Oh

James you're the MC you

should introduce the next topic

Yeah, I'm the main character here

I

Really thought it was me this whole time.

I'm so sorry. No, you're

MVP but like okay or MVC main

Yeah, most valuable

Character character. Yeah,

I've always known I'm an NPC so