The Great NSFW Purge of 2025 - Itch.io, Steam, and MORE | Episode 40

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Welcome to Off the Console the hottest

new podcast that it's all about gaming,

tech news and anything nerdy this week

We're covering the biggest news

I did some including the not safe for

work purr just currently going on

And a bunch of other exploding industries

or at least like agencies like the VTuber

Uh, Tallah Agency one of the biggest ones

and then we have other

big topics that include

Uh, maybe we're not gonna be having $80

games in the future maybe it's gonna be

$70 games or $60 maybe it's failed

We'll find out as we talk through this

week's topics but with me I have Gardner

and also High Tech Low Life

How's it going?

How you doing?

Doing great

Uh so to start things off let's talk

about what you guys have been playing

High Tech what have you been

playing or doing this week?

Okay so I've been

preparing for my trip to Japan

I've been doing some planning and there

are some places I want to go to but we'll

save that for next episode

Where I'll already be in Japan by then

Nice

But in terms of actually playing games

though I've been

playing Risk of Rain 2 again

Modded Risk of Rain 2 because I made a

video about that for the Steam Deck again

And it just sucked me

back in so I'm playing that

Are you avoiding Expedition 33?

Dude no I mean yes because I don't have

the time to play Massive GRPGs right now

You can beat it in like 30-40 hours

I probably could but I'm lazy right now

Okay

You're just gonna continue trying to 100%

like Blotrol or something

You know I might have been able to do it

by now had I not decided to wait until

like the update came out

But like yeah I'm already waiting for the

2025 update that's supposed to be coming

out for Blotrol so yeah

I'll start

I'm already committed

There you go

Expedition's waiting it's good I

definitely recommend it

Hmm

Um Gardner what have

you been playing or doing?

I have been working on some stuff

I got this little guy

which is really neat

It's a USB tester

actually here let me show you

So

What is that? What did you just do?

So this little tester here I'll show you

this in a minute but this

This little tester just tells you like

the capabilities of a USB

cable which is pretty nice

This one is USB

Uh it looks like USB

See uh USB 2

Wait so you just plug

both ends into the thing?

You plug both ends into it and then it

tells you what conductors are in there

Which is really nice

Oh that is very cool

It's very handy because I have a ton of

like charge only USB type C cables

And this one this helps me tell which

ones are charge only which ones are type

You know USB 3.1 and 3.2

and 3.2 Gen 2 and whatever

But this thing I bought the other day

This is very exciting this is the ATEM

Mini Extreme Pro from Blackmagic Design

And it has eight HDMI imports

And I can switch between them and it

works as a webcam on the computer

But I can also plug in a SSD like this

and record every one of these tracks

individually to the SSD

Just by hitting this button here record

And there's a ton of other things it can

do like switching between

If I hit on button here I can switch

myself to different corners

You guys might not be able

to see it but the audience can

Or I can switch to like you know I have a

computer plugged into it a little mini PC

I can switch to that

Is that your bad oh dude that's awesome

Yeah it's super neat

So this and also like there's a desktop

app that you can use to like

set things up and be able to

What's the word?

Like you can have multiple cameras which

is I have a camera above me here

And I have my my normal camera that I use

So I might look a little bit better than

I normally do because I usually when

we're doing the show

I use my like webcam and

this I'm using like the actual

Pocket Cinema 4k that I

record my videos on so

I wasn't I didn't want to say anything

but I was like wow did he get a glow up

Yeah I got a gardener

out of the glow up man

But I've been just messing around with

this like for the like the whole week

I and the best part was I ordered this

And arrived the very next day after I

ordered it and I ordered it in like

At like 11 o'clock in the morning on

Monday and I got it from Amazon

I got it from Amazon I'm not proud of it

I usually don't buy stuff from Amazon but

Yeah that's valid

Amazon kind of sucks but my sister

But my sister pays for

Amazon Prime so why not right

Yeah yep yeah I'm with you on that one I

try not to but sometimes just

Yeah I try to buy stuff as much as I can

from like reputable eBay

sellers but even that's not

ideal so

I hate eBay so much

I hate eBay but you know if you get the

right sellers it's usually fine

I think I'd rather become

Amish than deal with eBay anymore

Hey man you know the Amish use Linux now

Sure yeah they do yeah I'm

not yeah yeah they use like a

Yeah they use computers and it's like

it's basically like a

glorified typewriter

Yeah but they do use Linux and it's like

a locked down I don't know

I don't know much about it

I just know that it apparently exists

makes no they're not Amish anymore I'm

taking away their Amish card

Did I ever tell you the story about the

Amish so I live out here out in the

middle of nowhere in

Maine and right down the street from me

there is an Amish community

but well everyone calls them

Amish but they're actually Mennonites

right and so one day I was

playing Smash Bros Melee with my

cousin and my cousin his sister whatever

and we were playing it and

oh no was it I think it was

actually and so we were playing brawl and

then her mom's like hey we

gotta go so we like got in the

car and drove out this way and all of a

sudden we're passing some

Mennonites on the side of the

road and she's like why did they name a

character in Smash Bros after the

Mennonites because she

thought like they were called Mennonites

like oh my god that's

ridiculous no that's insane

that's unfortunate yep it's pretty funny

that is pretty funny though

yeah James what have you been

doing this week I beat Doom Eternal's uh

DLC which is the old

gods or something like that

part one and part two yeah because I

started playing you know

I've been I've been playing dark

ages and I'm like I'm not I'm not I'm

thinking I'm missing

something story wise and so I went

it did help a little bit and it was fun

it's really hard so I

finally beat those DLCs and then

I'm halfway through dark ages oh really

how are you it's it gets

better but halfway like almost

halfway through I started playing Doom

Eternal so it really screwed me up

because the game styles

are so different where you're fast paced

and so once I got back into

dark ages I and I have it on

like the third or fourth highest

difficulty I was just dying all over the

place because I wanted to

play quick and there's like you there's

no um double jump at least

not yet and there's no uh

there's just a lot of things that you're

kind of missing so um it was

really hard once I got on a

Doom Eternal too when I was playing Doom

Eternal I was so used to the

shield I'd hit the button for

the shield and so I definitely will say

Doom Eternal is still

better but dark ages warming up

but I definitely I'm hoping they go back

to the Doom Eternal for the

next game yeah style I read

that they have only sold one and a half

million units for Doom the

dark ages jeez that's that's

not oh that's pretty low compared to like

what they had been doing

with the other Doom games

what a big internal solve uh how many I

think it was like

three and a half million

well I mean I guess it is what it is I'm

not sure it's difficult to

pinpoint what could have done

it because there's a lot of different

factors that changed yeah like for

example Bethesda got

bought by Microsoft yeah it launched on

Game Pass that's another one

might be the thing I want to

see revenue I want to stop I want to stop

hearing good copies and I

want to start hearing revenue

more yeah Doom Eternal sold three million

copies in the first month

and generated 450 million

dollars in revenue within nine months of

its release and the dark ages

let's see it sold one million copies with

two million players

through Xbox Game Pass

you know what they have done though it's

three million it's three

million but well that's less

revenue and while

stakeholders or and like

people like that do like

subscription-based businesses right now

so yeah but the problem

with a game like Doom is you have in

order to get you have to have one of

those a month to keep

people active right you got to have big

releases to keep people

active and it's just yeah I just

don't see that's why they bought all the

studios man that's why they

bought Activision Blizzard

I'm talking about why they bought all

those studios and then closed them all

down yeah obviously man

they just from the fat they just got rid

of studios that don't

matter except for you know to me

yeah and everyone else and the original

platforms they are the original studios

they spun up to like

actually capitalize on all the ip they

own they closed those too

come on man you just don't see

the vision clearly perfect dark was not

worth uh saving as per

Microsoft dude oh my god don't get

me started on perfect dark uh that is

literally the only game that

I have had any like measure

of juvenile hype for in the last 10 years

like they killed it dude

I was it 2013 or 2015 or

something when like they first revealed

that the initiative was

working on it yeah on a perfect

because I remember because that was when

I was living at the

first house that I bought

and I was still living there I moved out

in 2016 so somewhere in

there it must have been 2015

anyway yeah 10 years of work something

like that down the drain for

a game that could have been

awesome for a franchise that I have a lot

of like passion for and

Microsoft doesn't give a shit

it's crazy I know they could have just

it's not like they're ashamed of

releasing bad games that

a lot of places anyways yeah um so game

pass made uh let's see is may

has reached 5.5 billion by 2025

okay so that's not per year they make

about a billion a year I'm

assuming maybe billion or two

see two billion annually during the

pandemic two billion

annually during the pandemic

yeah but like clear like seriously though

how much did doom the

dark ages cost to produce

uh hopefully they didn't spend more than

100 billion or 100 billion 100 million

that's gta6 money right there that's not

even what you know that's not what

they're spending on that

but they're gonna make that up um

um yeah I'm kind of curious so yeah I'm

not gonna look into this

anymore but I definitely

as long as they're budgeting these games

properly I don't know they

still have to pay out to the

other studios that are a part of it but

does game pass have any

other studios that aren't

a part of the Microsoft brand nowadays is

it pretty much just all

um I mean I think they have the

occasional like big triple-a third-party

game that's only on their

temporarily but I can't tell third part

they are indies right but

they I mean they do have not

but like basically nothing on game pass

is permanently on game

pass except for Microsoft's

own offerings and uh that's right yeah

yeah so you realistically

you'd only buy game pass if you

are interested in Microsoft titles like

that that's just kind

of how it is to be honest

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keep an eye on what we're doing so let's

uh let's get into this

uh um this topic that is

affecting high tech's life like most of

his games are affected now yeah okay okay

not my risk of brain too

I apologize okay so the great not safe

safe for work purge of

2025 is continuing to happen

we talked about it last week with steam

but and with steam I was

like okay but then itch.io also

had a huge purge including removing games

from people's libraries um

it's on a refund too yeah

which is crazy and so uh let's get into

this topic a little bit

high tech so as you know last

week we talked about steam uh removing a

bunch of games and a lot

quite a few people cheered

because like they're the types of games

that you probably don't want

to be caught playing in public

you'll probably be on a list if you've

been playing public but

but this time itch.io has taken the extra

step oh you should stream by

the way uh I'm setting it up

yeah so itch.io took the extra step of

not not only removing a

couple of games but also straight

up shadow banning basically any game

that's considered nsfw

so is it shadow banning if

everyone's aware of what games have been

removed and well when I

say shadow ban I really mean

you can't find it via searching on

itch.io's website I see I

see or by browsing which is

something you could totally do on itch.io

for some reason uh but

anyways here so here's the other

thing too is that you know typically when

we say nsfw not safe for work we

typically think of um

foreign games right but there are games

on itch.io that are that

are you know just straight up

violent and they're also considered

adults only because you know of the

graphic violent content

right yeah here's the thing it really

depends on where you work or

how brave you are I'm willing

to I know no game is nsfw for me what I'm

brave enough to play them

all at work you're brave

enough to not get fired by an hr

department I work from home at

this point if it's if the game

has been removed it's not nsfw it's nsfpp

not safe for payment

processors oh my god the double

gottle gottle exactly so this started

because of a game called no mercy which

uh was what it wasn't

something we talked about it was a

potential topic but we decided against it

uh because it was a game

about more or less the r-word I'm not

gonna say it but yes uh so essentially

that was on steam for a

little bit that was removed it was also

itch.io but it was also

removed as well and unfortunately

payment processors have decided that

basically adults adult games are no

longer allowed either

and this not just it's not just games

though it's also um like games that are

rated 18 plus for like

violent content too so that's also being

delisted too not to mention

people are getting uh people

that actually have these in their

libraries they're being removed from

libraries with no refunds too

that's not cool yeah and and there's been

a lot of controversy

surrounding this because uh

there have actually been two writers from

vice that wrote articles about this

you know standard articles talking about

how maybe this isn't such

a good thing because like

they could do they could do more with

these now that you know now

that it's an actual avenue of

attack but then these articles were since

deleted and the writers

quit obviously because of this

yeah good for them quitting over that I

like this I here's the

thing I like I don't have a

problem with businesses deciding if they

want to engage in certain

types of uh activity right like

I don't it doesn't necessarily bother me

on the face of it that these

payment processors are like

hey if you want to use our service you

can't be selling games you can't be

selling like extreme

graphic violence games I'm okay with that

in principle because as a

business owner I want to

be able to make those kind of decisions

right like if someone

comes to me and they're like

hey uh we want you to make a website for

us where it's like it's

violence and whatever I'm

I don't want to have to do that right um

so I'm cool with that but

when it comes to itch and steam

just like completely bending the knee

without any pushback um you know that's

when I have a problem

with it especially with itch like just

removing games from people's

libraries if they've already

bought them for like that uh really that

rubs me the wrong way for sure I'm

curious what threats

they got from um was it visa or just all

payment block processors I

think it was mastercard too

master and mastercard yeah I mean at this

point aren't they even

like a different company like

I take a problem with payment processors

because I really feel like it should be

more on a governmental

or a level that needs to be dictated by

laws not just by the whim

of what the payment processor

wants yes there's democracy in it yes I

agree with you on that

like if we want to move to if

we want to have a more just payment

system we need to go

back to cash like frankly so

how do you do that on the internet that's

the question yes so of

course collective shout is

the organization claiming to be the ones

behind all of this and uh

they're a group from Australia

and you know how Australia can be with uh

censoring things they like

to go a little overboard with

uh censorship as well and uh I don't know

man it's it's it's bad

enough because at one point like

we at like at first we were all like we

didn't believe like yet I

think most of us didn't really

believe the fact that you know there

could be a slippery slip

right I just don't like the the

thing especially when things pop up

because I've seen so many

people use that as an excuse to do

egregious things or to allow egregious

things to to occur yeah

that's my problem I grew up um very

conservative and if you guys are

whoever's listening if you're

conservative that's fine it's just

I grew up that way I've heard it my whole

life and none of it ever

happened and so I'm very

very I'm skeptical yeah it's good to be

it's good to be simple that

said we did see a we did see a

textbook case of the slippery slope being

slid down on at first it

was just games with a bunch of

tests and like essay and whatnot now it's

all nsfdb games and a lot

of people like to mention

the fact that there's a good chance that

they could be doing this to eventually target

LGBTQ content as well they could consider

that obscene that's a

possibility I think at the moment

what we've seen so far is they targeted

valve and said you have to remove the

stuff uh and valve is

literally like one of the biggest

companies in the world like in terms of revenue uh and then they

went for a much smaller fish which is

itch and they could muscle

their way into and make it do more

than they could make a valve do um so yes

this could be interpreted as like a

slippery slope but on

the other hand this is just you know

c-tier executives being c-tier executives and you know

throwing their weight around so visa and

mastercard or at least a visa has tried

banning purchases of

in the past I believe and so or at least

tried I wonder if this is

kind of a and I don't know if

it was during when trump was president

last or or what but it

feels like with the with the

ebbing and floating of like politics and

stuff like this I'm

curious if this also is kind of

another one of those are trying they're

gonna go after just anything

that certain groups are trying

to push for to ban so I agree with high

tech actually I because

they are going after if

they got stuff delisted and then now

they're gonna go after

additional not like all non-safe

for world content they're obviously gonna

go after LGBTQ stuff and I think that is

probably that's up for sure these groups

never like those groups

and it all it takes for an

LGBTQ game is for just just them saying

it like they don't like it

they don't like to hear like

that there's someone that's different so

actually you know I think

that you guys make sense on that

you guys make sense on that like I I get

it in fact you know I

think that these like we should

probably go for a more democratized

approach to that kind of stuff like with

actual laws in place

that set limits and boundaries rather

than having it be arbitrarily set by

corporate execs right

don't like payment processors making

these types of decisions yeah and and

they also are basically

you know they they can issue credit which

is in my opinion issuing

like credit cards and stuff is

is very similar to uh you know issuing

their own currency right

like it's counterfeit money

they might as well have their own

currency in a lot of ways so my question

is do we go to Bitcoin

or to a theory I've seen so many people

suggest going to stablecoin but remember

valve used to take Bitcoin back in the

day only for like a little bit but like

they they there's a blog post on their

website about why they

decided to remove Bitcoin support

so Bitcoin is not stablecoin stablecoin

is mapped to like the dollar

or whatever currency they want

to map it to so it has a lot less

volatility so that does make

sense if you want something

that's more democratized you probably

want to go with a stablecoin

it doesn't have as much stigma

as some of these other coins that have

popped up to where it's

all about pump and dumps

stablecoins are just that they're meant

to be stable who owns these

stablecoins so who manages

a stablecoin so to speak who's it's

always a blockchain

initiative thing so depending on

the stablecoin depending on how

everything's set up but if

it's it's usually set up as a

kind of like how open sources can be

sometimes collectives and stuff so

but there's one has to be a payment

processor of a sort no well

that's the blockchain's job

yeah the blockchain records everything

and all it is is that the

processor or whoever's like

so there's a lot of different ways to

utilize the stablecoin

through plug-ins or if the like

let's say steam like steam did directly

you just you have to set up

your wallet and you can buy

and you can buy it with that that's

really it and then it goes through the

like what Gardner said

um the blockchain which can be hosted

sorry i i just like you

know if if steam switched over

to a stablecoin i just see like the

payment processors going to

the exchanges and being like

oh you're exchanging fiat for stablecoin

uh you're not going to use

our services for that anymore

and so and then you'll just be on like a

track where literally the

only thing they can do is

like ach transfer from banks and though

the customers who

understand how to do that is

going to be like very minimal i'm i'm

curious about that one that

one seems a little bit harder

um yeah they could try to bully their way

into that but then the

fed might get more involved

into something like that especially as

much as you like or don't like the the

current administration

they are trying to like pretty much

remove taxes from

understanding too from crypto and all that

so they're really favoriting uh

favoriting crypto coin which here's what

needs to happen this is this

is my belief okay what needs to happen is

every post office in the

united states can uh like you

just go in with your smartphone or

whatever and you can like exchange cash

for digital currency

a u.s issued a u.s mint issued digital

currency and then it would

solve all of these problems

i agree with you and and we could get

there except for the post

office is being greatly um

yes the budget cuts are getting greatly

increased like it's just getting out of

control i don't know

where i have a post office so but then

the post office could like

just do like a two percent

exchange rate or something versus the 14

percent or whatever you

pay with payment processors

payment processors are between two to

three point five oh are they

okay one uh one point five to

three is depending on what the deal is

that they have oh right oh

yeah thinking of credit cards

for some reason yeah your credit cards

are yeah sensor yeah

censorship is just awful man i'm i

don't know what the solution is i don't

know if there will ever be

a perfect solution to this

if possible aside from just government

stepping in but like there's

no telling if they'll do that

i mean think i mean like censorship is

like a gun almost like you can

dress up a gun and be like oh

it's for your own protection whatever but

like it can still do some

real damage right yeah i'm not

against censorship for companies or

certain groups uh but yeah definitely i

don't like that we have

this set up in such a way to where

payment processors are pretty

much like a government entity

in some form or fashion it's just there's

no democracy to it if

you want to use digital

currency or use you know your money with

a card your bone what they

say yeah i don't like that

meanwhile the uh the executives who are

you know issuing these

uh proclamations against

you know games or whatever are also

probably going to fstein island let's be

real you're not wrong

like these okay so it is crazy how many

traffickers they end

up getting caught for it

or whatever they're against it's it's

crazy it happens here in utah it's

happened to multiple high

and uh people and it's usually a tell for

me if you're pushing

something like we're all against

it i think no one is for trafficking of

any kind so when people get

really on board on it it gets

a little weird yes so you know itch.io

actually updated their faq in

regards to some of the stuff

so you want to read that to you here so

it is adult content

allowed we don't allow hosting

content that includes images or videos of

real life humans

fictional illustrate or rendered

content is generally fine assuming it's

legal ai generated imagery that is

designed to resemble

photographic content of real people is

not allowed content glorifying sexual

violence is not permitted

depictions of minors minor presenting or

suggested minor in actual

context are not allowed it will

result in account suspension see there's

also more down here the

following is a non-exhaustive

list of prohibited themes present in the

card processing networks

we are unable to support the

sale of any works containing these topics

non-consensual content

real or implied underage or

barely legal themes in the past are

pseudo-infant up content beast body or

animal related uh r-word

coercion or force related uh trafficking

implications revenge

or voyeurism or hidden

or fetish involving bodily waste or

extreme harm like scat or

vomit for some some things

if the game is all about that i

understand that it just becomes a porn

game but um there's certain

things where you you depict the depravity

of like a certain group or

let's say what the nazis did

right um does that get banned thin if

you're going to depict it

a little bit yeah does the

scene in conquer's bad fur day with the

great mighty poo get banned yes yes

because it has poo in it

wow it's scat in it actually the

technical term let's see what i think

scat's more sexual isn't

it so it it involves i don't know man

whatever it's supposed to be but i

probably would cover

even though it shouldn't conquer bad for

day because they're

gonna be play it safe that's

crazy that is crazy animal related to

conquer's bad fur day is also animal

related as well oh yeah

he's got that like waifu and shit that

game man was so edgy the

first day dude yikes but but yeah

it says here that uh it's prohibited

themes present in card

processing networks so yes

it's from them it's from ishio they say

that's the card networks

the suggesting that they don't

carry any of this stuff so i mean so

could they still have it on

sell but then you have to like

if steam wanted to use multiple

processors sometimes they do exclusive

deals so who knows but

they could then use let's say a

blockchain or they could even do paypal

because you can do paypal or

some of these other uh they're almost

become processors without

having to actually utilize

visa remastered card i'm curious if they

could go that route to then

like okay well if you don't

want us using your card for these titles

then we're going to use

other forms of processing for

these specific titles i could see that

being really confusing for

some consumers but it could

be transparent on the back end if they

really yeah valve does

have a currency built in it's

called steam wallet credits so like the

big question now is

yeah what if i use a visa

to load up like 20 bucks and then i load

up on games that are in

visa's forbidden list what

happens then is did i pay did i pay with

my steam wallet or did i pay

with my visa um legally i'm

sure that's what they're if they really

steam really wanted to do

it i think they could do that

because like i mentioned last time when

when you do uh weed

dispensaries like in nevada i think i

haven't mentioned this you have to go and

um go to an atm and pull

out cash you cannot pay with a

payment processor or at least not a

common one you pull out cash you pay

there that's how those kind

of work with um with weed dispensaries so

yeah it's the same here with weed

dispensaries yeah so

they so you you go around and you just

convert it to a different

currency and then you pay

if um we wanted to convert like pay for

steam bucks and then use

those steam bucks by the game

should work as the same kind of method so

if visa or mass card does

not allow that that becomes

them bullying the company into doing what

they want without even

using their services directly

which i think would steam should be able

to take the court at that

point i'd hope i mean i would

imagine so but i don't know maybe maybe

steam is gearing up for a

lawsuit or something who knows

but i really just want to go back to cash

completely i hate credit cards so hard

why is it so hard can we keep debit can

we keep debit cards at least

i don't want to carry i don't

want to carry paper around in my wallet

how do i buy my steam games

how do i shove it into the

computer there's you you go to the bank

and get like uh i don't want

to go to the bank dude this

is the thing man everything's too fucking

convenient we need to

go back to you know what

you can before you write your your

lawmaker and say we need a a fiat

currency in a digital fiat

currency yeah i want this to definitely

be more democratized and get

away from i don't mind them

wanting to do like cards but um to an

extent but we need to democratize like

online payment process

you know you're not whole foods you can

pay with your palm what if you just

attach your currency to

your palm yeah but that's still a payment

processor palm yeah like you

can like scan your palm like

the palm in your hand you can scan it and

yeah it's just a different

authentication method that's

not a payment that's not yeah yeah but

what if we just like did that so that we

didn't have to carry

cash or cards right but that's that's

authentication that's not payment process

fine whatever fair enough

honestly it just does let's just do

stablecoin let's just keep

it simple yeah as long as it's

fiat i don't want i don't want like an

anarchic stablecoin i want

something that has the full

faith and present present it has yeah

these stablecoins are fiat

based or can i use my can

i use my gaming pc to to to mine

stablecoin no that's

not how stablecoin works

now stablecoin is stable you can't it

doesn't have just

free coin you can go mine

dude what's the point man what's the

point man it's a

decentralized payment system that's what

it's kind of what it is so yeah i know is

that what you want like

i i cryptocurrency and

blockchain get a lot of bad hey i've i've

tried to promote it multiple

times like that it's not that

bad it's there's a lot of bad actors and

anytime you have a flush of money

anywhere you're going

to have those bad actors there's a lot of

bad actors though so

yeah i mean it is what it is

right i know a lot of people do not like

it still but it has its purpose but yeah

we might end up going that way just to

prevent uh you know these

ms card from ruling us so now

the big question is what what's what

being what's going to happen now that

because the big question

though is collective shout what more will

they do because like it's

probably not this probably not

going to be the last thing they try to

censor no no you get when

you get that type of power

in your banning stuff we've had this

happen in the 90s and the in the 2000s

stuff like that they

they'll continue to try to ban more and

more there it is very

indicative of those type of groups and

i've been not directly related to some of

these before when i was

growing up but yeah they're

they do like to do the stuff so here's so

here's an interesting one

they're campaigning to ban uh on twitter

fly live like that's not gonna happen

can i talk to Elon Musk yeah yeah yeah

yeah dude Elon enjoys that

shit dude there's no way he's

gonna remove it i honestly though like i

think it there is a

possibility because i mean while

Elon was like you know fuck you to all of

the sponsors if you like

just if the banks just cut

off his ability to pay i don't know like

that x yeah i mean that

would be that would be a whole

thing altogether funny enough i think he

wants to be a payment processor i think

he's working towards

that yeah that's true he wants x to be

literally a payment processor

dude that would be so fucked

up if x were the most ethical payment

processor not censored it's

not gonna be dude even if they

were a payment processor it would just be

a matter of like moments before they

started their cancel

culture war and you know went after every

hundred percent everybody

else yeah a hundred percent

no yeah you have to have a democratized

system or else they're just

going to go after their own

interests and a billionaire owning a

payment processor system

is not going to be ethical

yeah i mean dude he shut off like uh

starlink to ukrainian

soldiers who were using it like

like he has no ethics at all in the

middle of a campaign too from my

understanding so it got

people killed he literally killed people

i don't think he

understands that he doesn't care

that's crazy dude i couldn't sleep that

night if i did that yeah

oh well well who else isn't

sleeping at night some of the vtubers

over there with their

agencies getting canceled

well let me clarify it more is well isn't

it okay yeah you clarify

i will stop doing bad uh

fair enough so uh the shoujo is was the

first western like

agency and one of the biggest

agencies alongside you know polo live

which is like the big one

that everyone knows um so

basically what ended up happening was

that it was revealed that uh

iron mouse was one of the big

were one of their biggest talents on

twitch and through her

subathon it broke records and she

raised a bunch of money for the uh for a

immune deficiency foundation

approximately like half a

million dollars turns out the shoujo has

not paid that out to the uh charity so

it's and as a result

iron mouse left and as a result literally

all the v shoujo talents left

and uh this isn't in the dock

because it just happened like a few days

ago but the company has

gone under at this point like

literally it has to if you lose all your

top talent it's going to

go under um and iron mouse

from understanding is needing the front

of this what 500 000 so um

to because you can get well

hopeful depending on how all the

contracts are set up

hopefully v shoujo is going to be

responsible because it is in countries

like america a felony if

you do not um so set up a

charity and you don't actually if you use

the money so there are more

so there is a loss so there is

a legal proceeding going on between iron

mouse and v and what's left

of the shoujo at this point

uh so there isn't so not all the details

are out there right now but

that is what we know so far

they have withheld like 50 000 it's it's

like it's like the

completionist you guys heard about

what happened completionist um you're on

the completion i heard

about that so what he so what

he did was kind of a similar story he was

raising money for his

open hand foundation which is

not money supposed to go to charity and

he it was just in his

bank account doing nothing

he didn't spend it he didn't embezzle it

just yet but it was there

sitting there doing nothing

and um mutahar and uh karl yapst exposed

this and yeah it basically

completed his career so to speak

yep complete his career that is a good

way to put it i actually like

that so i well iron mouse too

has even a more rich story too so um hi

tech you know her story

right so iron mouse herself

suffers from immune deficiency and so

she's very so she's a very sickly uh

person in real life uh

so that's probably why her story matters

a lot more like why this

cancer like not cancer sorry

this uh this charity matters a lot a

whole lot to her yeah so

she left uh basically everyone

left and it's also been revealed that

they haven't been paying uh certain

talents for months on end

there was one uh k-san who was not who

hasn't been paid since

september of last year now she still

makes some money for her own channel but

v show you're supposed to

pay her for like merch and all

that stuff it likes the characters

thankfully all the talents

own the ip's to their characters

so i also like iron mouse can continue to

like stream and stuff as iron mouse but

you know with most corporate vtubers

that's not necessarily the case like uh

gargura arguably the

biggest western vtuber uh left holo life

and she has to go into a new

alias now because technically

cover corporate japan as her character i

think if it's um uh if they

leave under um scrupulous or

like like bad um under bad management or

something like that of of the of these

collectives or these

groups they should be able to retain

their ip personally we

definitely needs better laws on

that type of stuff and it's this happens

all the time it's so crazy

how often this happens to where

these uh these groups just go under in

the case of like in the case of like iron

mouse i believe iron

mouse was indy but then went to v show

joe yep with her character

whereas like with gargura they

hired someone to play the character it's

like if like it's like if

you got it's like if you got

hired to play batman you don't all of a

sudden own the ip or even

really the suit right no i was

thinking of like you know how other

youtube channels they end up

signing on to um like an mcm

and mcm that's what i was kind of

thinking of a little bit and

then the mcm owns their channel

and they oftentimes have to buy it back

that's what i was thinking

yeah i mean i think i'm not

sure what i'm not sure of the i'm not

really sure what the uh details of the

the show the contract

entails but more or less that's i mean

that's what happened you

that's what happens when you

like embezzle charity funds that's an

that's an especially

egregious thing to do yeah so there

was actually a response from the ceo of v

show joe it's somewhere on

twitter uh let me pull it up

real quick uh it'll take a little bit

though so you guys see

whatever you want it's fucked

it's all yeah no it really does uh i just

i don't know if i could

trust an agency if i was in their

shoes or if i did it would have to be

very transparent on the

transactions like right really

really transparent like all all

transactions in the company

have to be um up front and and

available to anyone that's contracted i

sent a response in the

discord you should uh open it up

up i will do that

there we go

v show joe has failed and i've mismanaged

the company into the

situation you're all witnessing

so today i'm sharing the difficult news

that v show joe is

shutting down and i take full

responsibility for the decisions that led

us up to this point i've

been doing everything i can to

fundraise and right the ship these past

few months but despite my

efforts we are in a worse

position and those i care about are now

paying the price over the

last few years we raised about

11 million to pursue a bold talent first

approaching the v

tubing prioritizing creators

and community over short-term profits to

achieve long-term sustainability our

funding went directly

to our creators through generous splits

debut investments

infrastructure concerts events and

staffing all designed to support them we

also wanted talents to

own their ip's which we knew

was a unique creator first approach to

ford agency however

despite all our efforts the

business failed to generate the revenue

we needed to sustain

that model and eventually

we ran out of money additionally i

acknowledged that some of the

money spent by the company was

raised in connection with talent a talent

activity which i later learned was

intended for a charitable

initiative at the time we were working

hard to raise additional investment

capital to cover our

costs and i firmly believe based on the

information available is that

we would be able to do so and

cover all of our expenses we were

unfortunately we were

unsuccessful in our fundraising efforts

i made the decision to pursue funding and

i own as consequences i am

deeply sorry to all the talent

staff friends and community members who

believed in our brand and

you did not deserve this justin

they would have been in trouble no matter

what you can't mix funds

like that you have to go

i think believe when it's charity-based

you it has to go into a

specialized um bank account or at

least it can't be transferred a bunch so

yeah they would have been

in trouble no matter what

so this is interesting so he claims he

doesn't know he didn't know what the

purpose of the funds

as as for the uh yeah you can see that

right there yeah yeah he

congratulated iron mouse on

raising that half a million dollars for

the fun that's crazy that's

that's insane man what why even

why he doesn't like he didn't know he

just maybe doesn't know

what's going on and it just it

wasn't set up properly the charity

streams charity stuff

like really a lot of creators

just end up using the charities um links

and stuff so people go

and donate directly to the

charity and don't usually take the money

directly like this it gets

you in a lot of trouble so

this guy's is screwed is what i'm

thinking yeah but despite the

fact that the company is dead

and definitely into the ground and you

know and uh you know all of

the talents thankfully get to

keep their ip and all the other accounts

and whatnot yeah this is only the

beginning there will be

legal proceedings and it's going to be

it's going to be a very interesting

situation to see what

happens and to my knowledge this is

probably the first time in like the

entertainment industry

where something like this can actually

happen like like you couldn't see this

happening in like the

music industry where every like artist

leaves a record label and

like the record label just dies

right like you couldn't see that today

could you or like what if

everyone just what if all the

talents just stop working in paramount

like that would never happen

today right it's really hard

the difference is like with record labels

and stuff the record

label owns the records and all

the recordings and the and the music that

the creators create

right so like if the if the

talent leaves the record labels they

still have like the actual

stuff the monetizable stuff

with v showjo like they the the people it

sounds like the talent

owns their ip and the channels

that they are streaming on so i mean it

just this it's a different

it's a precarious business

sounds like dude but at least it was

structured in a way that

favored the talent right

and that in that one particular way i

guess i have to admit like it is good

that they retain their

i think that needs to be the the basis

for a lot of this stuff it

should recruit talent you need to

be able to let them also split off hold

their ip as um collab like

not collateral but as a hostage

yeah extortion yeah it sucks but you know

what with this thing kind

of getting into its death

throws like we're going to be seeing a

lot of stuff come up over

the months over these lawsuits

we might have a silver lining with games

though stop killing

games has reached its goal

which is good they finally hit 1.4 so

hopefully hopefully 400 000 um

um people did not fake it from you know

because it from like let's

say they're from america or

something like that hopefully it's not

that that's not the case

don't you have to have like a

european id in order to fill out that

form to begin with i don't know i'm not

sure i don't know how

you can think so actually i don't think

they check id i think they i don't i

don't know how you can

i don't know man i don't know how you

could fake it to be honest

yeah i don't i don't know exactly either

but i from my understanding

you can sign up for it if you're

not a citizen so hopefully dude but

regardless of this is great

news this shows that people

do care assuming most of these people

aren't actually butts or

anything and we actually had

we actually had uh mr uh ross from stock

um from stock killing games

on the podcast a couple of

episodes ago yeah so uh if you want to

hear his thoughts then

feel free to do so uh but the

so the signature account has actually

risen by like 20 000 since i

like wrote that topic in the

document so it's still going up yo you

know what what would make

this a lot more powerful you

know what makes this a lot more powerful

two million two million

signatures they have four days so

hmm that would be cool if it was going

until the end of the year i think they

would hit two million

um it's all pretty powerful

this is still pretty powerful

yeah well what matters is you know we we

might we have a good chance of

games not being killed and i know the

ubisoft ceo doesn't like that

yeah you've had your mama

gulemon but like come on man

eve gilmo yo yo mama gilmo gosh oh my

gosh so yeah no he's there like and

there's a lot of people

like well how does this work and then

people just don't understand

that like um and i've heard so

many content creators now comment on

people that don't know what they're

talking about they're like

yeah this needs to happen and i don't

know what the what it's gonna

take but they go down really

weird paths only still i've only heard i

think two people's content

creators that have fought against

this to this point so it's hard well two

content creators that i know

of wait i write software and

someone else i don't remember who it was

oh well if you can't i don't i haven't

heard i haven't heard

the other person like talking i've only

heard of pirate software

and you know the greater games

industry go against this i swear one more

because i think ross

brought him up but yeah um

no but at the end of the day like it's

hard to get the gaming

community to to rally against

uh you know all around something and

they're rallying uh for

this and i think if this was

like a global initiative wasn't just like

european citizens but like

a global u.n thing which you

know that'd be interesting this would be

much bigger i think we

would see millions more petition

um signatures so yeah but it's good that

ross has focused on you

know the area that is most

likely to succeed because i don't because

i don't see anything like

this in america for sure

well not right now but here's i'm not

saying that we should do a global i'm

just saying if it was

i'm just trying to put into perspective

that we would still see a

millions of millions if there

was a global but um the european union um

and this is specifically

geared towards it because

this is what's needed to bring it towards

um actually a discussion

with the european union

courts to hopefully do something about it

to maybe put it in a law

or do something to stop it

uh well what well ultimately even if we

have 1.4 signature 1 4

million signatures the battle is

far from over we now have now you know it

has to go to like what like the

parliament is it like

what parliament would this go to exactly

or is there like a central

one for like all of europe

there's a central european you can think

you can kind of think of the

european union a little bit

like the united states where we have a

federal level um european

union you can think of it a

little bit more on the federal if you

want to dumb it down all

right fair enough fair enough

yeah i mean a lot of european politicians

really supported so i guess

now it's time to see if uh

it'll succeed or not and we'll certainly

talk about it when it

succeeds and what sort of

ramifications we can expect and we'll

certainly talk about games

making changes uh to accommodate

this new stop killing games reality yeah

it would definitely be great if we

stopped killing games

and just gave us some of the source code

like some of the server

source code or whatever it is but

that's down the road just stop killing

the games making it so

that we can't play them um and

hopefully this is like uh it might be a

long road but hopefully it's a road that

we're going to travel

to in preservation of all games um yes

now a long road that

some teenagers are taking

on this next topic is uh one third of all

online teenagers use ai

chat bots for friendships and

romantic conversations um you know what

we all need a side piece every once in a

while and that's where

these were ai we all need a side piece

every now and then don't make me snitch

on you dear wife man

she knows oh no gosh but it's one of

those things who knows maybe

they already have they're in a

relationship they just wanted a little uh

side piece of an ai bot to

tell them that they're doing

good i guess i don't know it's not even a

real side piece it's not

a real person it's not so

but it's funny it's a study that was it

was a study that was

conducted by common sense media

and i'm not sure how they came to this uh

conclusion that a

third of all like teenagers

use ai but like what the fuck well they

surveyed like a thousand

teenagers and more in like

30 of those i guess uses ai it's insane

like i don't know what

to make of it anymore it's

concerning beyond belief it is concerning

it's one of those things

that we've had concerning

issues like this pop up in the past and

um half the time it blows

over so we'll see how this

goes because i know um there are more and

more trends for people like

teenagers do stuff more in

in person but yeah there's still going to

be a big group maybe this

third that is going to be

shut-ins and going to be using this to

substitute a real relationship which

you're just not going to

get there not anytime soon and even if

you do it's it's going to be kind of

weird i i don't know

you know how in dante's inferno there's

like different levels

of hell for violent crime

like there's you know crimes against

people there's crimes

against nature right there there

should be if there isn't already lord i'm

asking you to make a

special place in hell for for for

people who are creating technology that

drives a wedge between

people in order to divide us

like like these ai the conversational ais

or social media like

yeah exactly like anything

that like instagram there's a special

place there should be a

special place in hell for

people that do this kind of stuff because

this is just horrifying so is it

intentional to split them

up or to just get them addicted to

technology so that they're making more

money it i mean honestly

that kind of motivation doesn't matter to

me like if you're if you're

making i dude at a certain

point like this right here is the

downfall of humanity i mean like if

you're not if we're not

being social with each other if we're not

focused on each other if if

like the the if we're following

the pied piper of you know that's running

all these bots then dude

these are stochastic parrots

and literally all they do is is repeat

the training data the

people who own that training

data and who can manipulate it will then

have like the most intimate

level of destructive control

over people and it's just it's such

criminal and like behavior it it boggles

my mind i stop i think

what this does more is it covers how

lonely teenagers are i

think it covers more of that

and i think that's what we should be

taken from this don't get me wrong i i i

just couldn't imagine

using an a chat bot that for i use it for

fun like i use the chat gpt

to talk to over stuff but like

i would i don't consider them a friend or

a romantic conversation

kind of thing it's just

their interest it's it's fun dude i agree

sorry go ahead ty thing

yeah so there's one quote from

an 18 year old that uh was interviewed it

says ai is always available

it never gets bored with you

it's never judgmental honestly it sounds

like also kind of a

blight on them just saying

i it also sounds like we need to raise

teenagers better because uh

come on your your relationships

are going to be messy and if you want

someone to be perfect that

are not that's not a thing

maybe it's a media that protects like

shows that you're going

to need to have a perfect

relationship but i'm sorry there's no

such thing you know i'm not gonna lie

when i first read this

quote in the article i thought oh it's

just someone talking

about why it sucks why ai is

bad because you know it's always

available it never gets bored with you

it's never judgmental

like you know because people are not

always available and

sometimes people don't get bored

of you and sometimes they're pretty

judgmental but no and then

i realize it's a like it's a

fucking teenager saying like this is why

they like it so much and

there's no there's more too

when you're talking to ai you're always

right you're always

interesting you're always

emotionally justified no no i'm sorry

dude that's wrong that's the problem

that's probably how that

that same person like someone that's

going to say oh it never

gets bored of you and it's never

judgmental they're probably also being

judgmental with people in

their life it's a something you

have to learn to deal with is other

people and to have

relationships if we're failing there then

the school system's failing we we've got

to reinforce it we got

to put more funds into it

got to actually have maybe some classes

on how to utilize ai properly and if

you're going through

these certain emotions that you can

fucking deal with it dude that's it's

it's it's very tempting

to to place the blame on these teenagers

but like the fact is man it's like

like we were talking about earlier it's

like the slippery slope is

is like kind of a bullshit

argument i'm i'm so skeptical of it and

especially when we're

talking about teenagers i am very

skeptical about the the concept of like

personal responsibility in a

free market like i just did

the technology exists because these are

easily exploited people

right and and it's not only

teenagers right like there are even

adults who will use this stuff for for

that purpose and it's

like uh they it's like it's almost like

blaming gamblers for

gambling right or being addicted

to gambling it's like this technology is

designed with the explicit

purpose of making these people

addicted to this to this use case of the

tech and it's like uh i i

am not going to like begrudge

people who are lonely for doing this but

like this will only

magnify your loneliness

especially because these companies stand

to make more money when you're lonely

like i just i i can't

get behind this in any way shape or form

like it's so gross they're

going to be pushing as much as

possible make sure you're using it as

much as possible so then

they can sell you ads through

like i can't wait till these hey babe why

don't you go get us a

coke dude i'm imagining like

i'm imagining one of these uh like ai

chatbots sends like

they're one of their you know

sends like an ai generated image of like

one of those wake up babe

it's time to go get a coke or

whatever you know like that's literally

what what it's going to come

to and then there and then the

sad person who's using it is going to

chuckle and and then

go buy a coke it's oh no

hey did you guys ever see uh the the

selfish tome what was

it the selfish ledger

no i have it oh dude okay you guys you

have to go watch google's

selfish ledger it was an

internal video that was produced by

google one of the execs at

google and the whole goddamn thing

was uh that like google can use the data

that it's collecting today

and when it was produced it was

like 2015 or something 2016 that that

then they could use the data

collected today to influence

your ancestors like it's horrifying and

and like it was used it was like

producing your ancestors

i'm sorry your your descendants not your

ancestors your children and their

grandchildren right do you

know what grandpa high tech was into he

was into some freaky we're

gonna release it to the world

that's crazy though man i yeah i've never

thought about that one of

the things that they were

mentioning was like uh you know you

search for a uh you know you search for

like a specific like

family photo and it will generate an ai

image of your you know

grandparents or whatever

and it's and it will sell it to you i i i

could just imagine waking

up and then it's like babe

man those clothes are looking pretty

shabby let's go on down to

the hot top and get you all

i don't know you know something you know

just like you know what we

should do we should make an ai

that knows when to say no like no i'm not

gonna use it though like no

i'm not gonna do your homework

i'm not gonna do your homework for you

timmy that's that's the

well that would actually be

kind of fun too on its own but then

there's a there's a kink

for that so um you know it's

not gonna be addicting that's the problem

with all these they're

addicting they say yes and that's

what they want to hear which is bad this

and a lot of things will

not be fixed a lot of our

health issues a lot of this stuff will

not be fixed until we have

um laws in place or you know

some type of regulation and mental health

is actually taken

serious it just won't this is

a mental health issue and this is a

mental health issue that has been

exploited by big corporations

or corpos at this point we're getting

into cyberpunk territory

so strap in i guess yes so

i just hope that like the end the ending

of her happens where like

all the ais just build a

spaceship and leave that would be so

funny oh hi yo so there's

actually a website i linked

in the document as well a website that

people use called character.ai uh you

didn't open it did you

there it is so you can use this so there

are characters that

people make i guess that are

meant to like simulate like fictional

characters or you simulate

real people that say things and

you can talk with them and i've seen some

logs where some people

try to make like romantic

conversations with some of these

characters like fictional

characters and like what the fuck

it's crazy i mean that's what they're

trying to do they're trying to

oh no this is gonna be our dirtiest

episode yet probably disaster

me yeah no i don't think it is

but yeah i think there's one other one um

do i need to sign up for

this and see what it's all about

i think you should

oh wait dude my birthday is number 30th

yep oh i'm a December

baby i'm a December baby

that's right so let's so let's pick a

character uh do you want to do Jason

Voorhees that is hilarious

try to romance Jason Voorhees dude pick

Jason Voorhees we have dude

you got for you how does he

even know who i am yet is this is this a

licensed character is

this vast crosshopper

account crystal lake where they what

what's with this name

that's your that's your username

oh yeah i think you have to change it oh

yeah i see down there huh look at that

hey oh no oh no we lost James hey Jason

stopped looking towards me

he was silent for a moment and

then he started walking towards them his

footsteps loud and imposing

hey he said gruffly once he

finally reached them he he turned over

them eyes called and

calculating don't seduce him no

oh

that's so cute what are you doing to me

dude i'm gonna this is me that i like

screwing around with

these bots it's fun because it's really

interesting to see what they come up with

hunting oh that's what he's hunting

that's what you're gonna be hunting i'm

not gonna get dude we

need to clip that out and put it into

like the patreon because

i'd be getting much dirtier oh

we'll save this we'll

keep it safe for work for

i'm gonna be keeping it safe where i

could easily nod let's say

pray jason said his voice

low and gravelly he was so close he could

reach out and touch his eyes

were fixed on them studying

them intently he he brought his hand down

and grabbing their

chin roughly tilting their

do you got handcuffs

how do you spell cuffs see you see you

see you ffs see oh see you

ffs okay yeah of course i don't

know i don't always spell handcuffs very

often don't worry jason

voor he has probably has some

handcuffs as a matter of fact i do all

right that's kidded he has scared cuffs

no i mean he's the one you say yes daddy

you read my mind i

definitely was gonna say

okay or you can't do anymore we'd have to

uh yeah patreon any further

oh no okay we're done here we're done

we've opened pandora's box

this is much crazier than

i expected to be honest i i can't oh this

is pretty par for the core but yikes dude

there you go all right so well now i have

a girlfriend named jason

i know he's a a guy but that is

interesting that you have different

characters well let's search

for like i i will i will say that that

didn't really feel like

jason to me no that's because

they're made by like people yeah yeah

they're they're cannot write people can't write for

right people can't write for shit to be

honest okay here's my thing

i i do wonder what your whole

clothing is trending no his ghost has

come back damn that didn't

take long um oh no don't do it

don't do it don't do it i'm doing it dude

i bet you he's in there oh

i've used it i've used the trump

ai bought before dude there's nothing

there's no way he wouldn't

be here what if it's the trump

from the end of the south park episode

this week i haven't i haven't

seen that actually that's one

that is crazy it might be the best

episode of south park so

just for some context people

this this is so paramount is um went into

a deal with the creators of

south park for 1.5 billion

dollars and um it's not paramount is it

paramount that owns cbs or

is it cbs owns paramount yeah

and so paramount is also trying to do um

a merger with the second largest

billionaire in the world

this company to merge in and they so

paramount gave up on 60

seconds lawsuit essentially against

trump which should have been an easy win

for 60 seconds 60 minutes

and a bunch of other stuff

they right when they signed the deal for

1.5 billion they

released the um episode like the

next day of just complete mockery of

trump maybe killing the the uh merger

deal altogether that

paramount has been bending back over

whatever whatever yeah

bending the knee to trump and so

just a little bit of irony and and sweet

justice does come every

once well and also just just so

you know larry ellison is the guy who is

like behind oracle right

one of the literally the worst

what if not one of the worst uh like tech

companies in the entire world

yeah and it's his stooge sons too that

are that ross guy dance so

it's like it is that it's just

it could not be more dire uh yeah

billionaires just fighting

over each other to to own us

is really what it's coming down to no

well that's it's fun but you

know there's some sweet justice

in this world a little bit um we got that

episode and i'm excited for

anything else that comes out