AI is writing TV shows (and they're bad) | Ep 41 w/ Jimmy from DeckReady

Fable, an AI startup, has created the

showrunner service, which has been

described as Netflix

for AI, allowing users to effectively

generate AI TV shows

based on some set parameters.

Yeah, they're just like

Rick and Morty rip offs.

Morty, the AI is coming.

It's coming for you, Morty.

Oh, that's good.

It's pretty much what they, I watched a

couple of clips and I

was like, like, it all just

looks like other stuff.

That's, that's basically Donald Trump

right there in the front row too.

I saw a clip from that show and it was

just Trump and the Elons in it too.

Oh my God.

In the Zuck.

Yeah.

Is that supposed to be Elon there on the

second from the left?

That's Elon.

And then Zucks in the middle.

I thought his left was on

the left there, the far left.

Oh, yeah, right.

You got me.

Welcome to Off the

Console, the hottest new podcast.

That's all about gaming,

tech news and anything nerdy.

This week we're covering the biggest

news, including children

being, I guess, made safe,

but you know, we'll see what happens

there if they're truly

safe or just being overly

protected.

Then we also have additional information

on the payment

processor bans going on and so

much more.

I think there's even one

that I want to talk about.

We have an editor yet, which is a Gabriel

buying a yacht company.

That one's an interesting other yacht.

A yacht company.

Jot company.

So, oh, got to talk about gaben.

So with that being said, I'm here with my

co-host Gardner and high

tech and also a special

guest, Jimmy.

Do you guys want to say hi?

Hey, guys.

Hey, what's up?

Hello.

Glad to be here.

Yes.

Thanks for coming and talking with us

about all the fun tech stuff that we do.

Tech and games.

So, like every episode, we'd like to

start off with a little

bit of banter about what

we're doing or what we did the last week

or what we've played.

So since you're the guest, Jimmy, would

you like to just would

you like to just what

have you been up to

playing whatever it is?

It doesn't have to be.

Oh, OK.

Too crazy.

Well, I've been I've been working a lot.

I've been making videos.

But yeah, I've been playing a lot of this

racing sim called

Automobileista 2 on my wheel

and they just added

new DLC with new track.

So I've been playing that.

And then every night

forever I play Hunt Showdown.

So I'm trying to get my

key up above one point.

It's a very difficult game.

It's I'm at like point nine

and I started at like point six.

So I've been creeping my way up and still

making my way through Elden Ring.

So I just bounced between stuff a lot.

And then yeah, just making videos.

I'm running like four channels right now.

So I do two videos a day on PS.

Well one video a day on

PS Ready and Deck Ready.

Then at the end of the week

I do my two horror channels.

So just burning at both ends over here.

Nice.

Well, we usually do

maybe towards the end.

But you want to shout out those channels?

The one favorite for that.

And it's fine.

I'm curious now.

You got your background has got me really

curious on those videos.

Yeah.

So I actually started

YouTube as a like horror YouTube.

I had a channel where I was like

reviewing horror movies

and then I did a news video

on when they revealed the

mask for Halloween 2018.

That like took off.

So then I just kept doing it.

So then I did a channel about the

Halloween franchise and

then did PS Ready then Deck

Ready and then I started a deeper dive

horror movie channel called Real Ones.

So yeah, but I started

talking about Halloween.

I do like a weekly episode where I'd

cover all the Halloween news.

So I do want to say Jimmy

has a pretty sweet last name.

Like that's actually

your last name, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of people don't know that and they

think it's like a stage name.

It's not.

It's my real name.

There's no G in it.

Jimmy Champagne sounds like a crazy name.

I would have thought it was a stage name.

It totally sounds like one.

I get it.

My brother is Edward

Champagne and people believe that one.

Like Edward.

No one.

No one would make a stage name.

Edward.

You looked out like Jimmy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jimmy Champagne.

Great.

Your Destiny for greatness.

Mr. Champagne.

Yes.

We'll see about that.

I'm a big fan of horror by the way.

So cool.

And especially horror games.

Yeah, me too.

I do like I do like good horror.

We should have Jimmy back

on for a Halloween special.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

100 percent.

100 percent.

OK.

Gardner, what have you been up to?

Dude, I've been playing with this.

Well, the start 64.

Oh my God.

What is that?

Like it's a I can't get it in the center

for some reason

because it's backwards on my

screen.

It looks like a flash.

Yeah.

It's a flash cart.

It's open.

So cool, dude.

And it's it's really neat.

I really love it.

And I have this shitty light because I

don't have light on my desk right now.

But yeah, no, dude,

this thing is really sick.

And I've been playing Smash Remix.

Guys, if you haven't tried it, Smash

Remix is basically if

you take Smash 64 and turn

it into melee, it's freaking awesome.

That is pretty cool.

And it has a ton of extra characters.

I'm Scott ton of extra characters, new

stages, all kinds of stuff.

It's really great.

I'll have to try it out sometime.

So you just shove that

thing in an N64 or it goes.

Yeah, like it's literally

that's what it looks like.

Literally an N64 cartridge.

I can get back on.

So does that have like a SD slot?

Yeah.

Right on the side there.

Oh, yeah.

And it's almost like

my mom to get my huh.

You like you should be able to load up

multiple Rob's, right?

Oh, yeah.

There's a 32 gigabyte

drive in SD card in here.

My fat fingers literally it's impossible

to get them in here.

But like Emily can like my girlfriend can

just pop it out and I

have to get her to do

it for me.

But yeah, I know it's

really, really cool.

And like I said, it's open source.

So like you can I could flash this with

different firmware and do

different stuff with it.

It's pretty nice.

Interesting.

That's interesting.

I do need to get an N64 and do that

because I do like doing

those like especially going

back in time and doing

some of the old mods.

Oh, yeah.

Systems.

It's like this is I mean, if the if the

ROM that you have is

compatible with the hardware,

then it'll work on this.

It's pretty nice.

And I only paid like

$45 or something for this.

So that's cheap.

Yeah, that's nice.

That's awesome.

Hi, Tech.

What have you been up to?

As you know, ready for a big trip.

I am not getting ready for the big trip.

I am.

I've started my big trip.

I am stuck in an

airport in Houston for now.

I'm supposed to be

boarding in about an hour.

So there's a good chance I won't be

staying for much longer.

As for playing video games, you know, the

new Shinobi Art of

Vengeance just got a demo

release the other day.

So I've been playing

that and it's it's it's it.

I'm curious what do you got

geared up on your steam deck?

Are you taking your steam deck?

What are you playing on this trip?

Well, I have a bunch of games that I

loaded up and one of them

happens to be Super Mario

Wonder.

And so I'm heading to Kyoto.

So what I'm thinking about doing is

taking my steam deck to

Nintendo HQ and you know,

oh yeah.

Show it off.

Oh yeah.

Show it off in front of Nintendo HQ.

Taking that photo up.

That is the plan though.

But I don't actually know if that'll

shake out as much as I'd like to do that.

You'll get arrested if you do that.

Yeah, we might be we might

be looking for a third host.

They're going to turn

on that giant Gundam.

Oh yeah.

We will.

We'll be in the counter

region of Japan as well.

I'll tell you all about it when I've

actually finished the trip.

Oh, it's time to go on the plane.

I'll see you guys later.

Yeah.

Thanks.

Thanks for joining us, man.

OK.

So what I have been doing is being

jealous about high tech going to Japan.

It's been a long time

since I've been to Japan.

So it'd be it would be nice to go back

and get some Gundam curry.

So it's just gimmicky.

Like you go to like a

lot of places in Japan.

It's like gimmicky stuff you can buy that

looks like stuff from

animes or whatever it

is.

So fun stuff.

What I have been playing, I've been

playing a couple of things.

I've been playing a lot more games

lately, actually, which has been nice.

But abiotic factor has been one that's

been very interesting

for me because it's very

half life coded and

I'm a huge half life fan.

And so Gardner, you might

actually like this game.

Abiotic factor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You might want to check that out.

Like they took heavy inspiration from

half life and even the

graphics and like you're

a scientist and you're supposed to be

it's like melding of a

bunch of different games,

it feels like, but like at its core,

graphically and inspiration

wise, it's definitely like.

Half life based, but then it has crafting

added into it and some other stuff.

So not sure if you're like big into

crafting Gardner, but it

has a lot of new stuff added

to it to into like an half life kind of

esque world to really

make it interesting.

Oh, it just came out.

It came out like a week or two ago and

really good reviews.

It is I think it's

four players, six player.

I can't remember co-op.

So definitely one that I'm probably going

to be playing with my

server, but one I've

been playing with people from my channel,

like server wise, is

been peak, which is another

really fun game where you

have to climb up a mountain.

It's essentially just a rock climbing

simulator, but in the

goofiest way possible.

So it's it's really fun, especially when

you play with other

people because they have to

they can help you up or you can watch

them just fall down as

they get to the almost to

the top.

They'll fall all the way down.

You got to laugh

because everyone does it.

Everyone falls eventually.

So that has been what I'm up to.

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Now with that being said, let's let's

continue on with our first topic.

Killing the Internet for the sake of

children, which is a very

this has been a developing

story over the past what week?

Yeah, couple weeks that I know of.

Yeah.

So just to give some context, the UK

recently passed a law that

effectively forces online

platforms to block access to.

Sorry, I'm going to cut off for a second.

I need to share my screen.

Let's see here.

OK.

So I'll just start it over.

The UK recently passed a law that

effectively forces online

platforms to block access to

content that may be harmful to children,

where children are

likely to access it with

companies being fined 18 pounds.

Is that pounds or is it only 18 million?

Oh, 18 million or 10 percent of their

annual turnover, whichever highest.

It's also it also allows the UK's Office

of Communications to explicitly block any

website they want.

The US is reintroducing a similar law

called the Kids Online Safety Act.

One common theme is the idea that they

need to protect children

by forcing adults to submit

verification to these companies.

This is this also affects gaming.

Xbox in particular already has a blog

statement about what this

means for gamers in the UK.

Players who claim to be over 18 will get

consistent, constant

nagging notifications

asking them to verify also all social

features on Xbox Live

will be limited to those who

actually verify their

age starting next year.

If you do not comply by then, then you'll

be limited to friend

only interactions on Xbox.

Spotify has also implemented age checks

for content marked at 18 plus.

YouTube has also joined in this bandwagon

to and will implement

this starting August 13th in

the US as well.

So is YouTube dead?

Is the Internet dead?

Is the question asked by I'm assuming

high tech because you wrote the notes.

So is the Internet dead?

No, I think the Internet will adapt and I

think that there will be

VPNs and other technical

measures to get around these kind of

checks, at least for the time being.

Yeah.

I saw that the UK was saying that they

might ban VPNs and I

was like, like, good luck.

I don't know.

Like, it seems a

little crazy if you ask me.

Like, I would probably stop using my Xbox

if I had to keep

uploading a picture to it.

I saw people were getting past it with

the death stranding photo mode.

They were like using Norman Reedus's face

in the Discord picture scanner.

And then it would be like, oh, make open

your mouth for the next picture and you

can make him do that.

So that was working.

And then I saw people were using the F.

God's name, the old guy from Half Life 2.

I guess in Gary's mod, you can make him

do different faces and

that was working as well.

So it doesn't seem like the most advanced

photo scan tech out there.

Yeah, I mean, if so, the burden shouldn't

be on private companies.

Right.

Because if the UK wants to do this, then

the UK needs to come up with the

technology that is like the baseline and

then everyone else has to just ping

against the UK's tech.

Because if you make it so that private

companies have to do this, every single

company is going to have to come up with

their own answer or they're going to have

to use a third party.

And like, it's just, you know, none of

the implementations are going to be any

reliable in any way, I think.

So I don't know, it just feels crazy to

be implementing things the way that it's

been working right now.

Like you were saying to me, it's like,

how can you expect to...

This is literally everyone in the entire

world versus these three companies or

whoever is implementing this stuff.

And it's like, you don't think that

there's going to be clever people out

there who are going to be able to get

around this stuff really quickly.

How are the bots going to do it?

To log into Twitter, you know, like

there's going to be so many unforeseen

that get this like in the news repeatedly

over and over again for

the next however many years.

But this is just stupid.

Yeah.

I mean, when I was in high school, they

had like the or even in middle school,

they had like the little watchdog.

I don't know if I can't remember what it

was called, but it was like, you know, it

would you couldn't go

to certain websites.

And very quickly I figured

out a way to get around it.

And then I told my friends and then all

of my friends were like, oh, yeah,

Gardner told us how to

do it when we got caught.

And so and so I don't know, but it's like

very simple, like to get

around a lot of these things.

And it's there's going to be monetary

incentive to like have an

A.I. that you can install.

And then it can generate reliable video

feeds that can bypass.

Oh, yeah. I didn't even think of that.

That's like this is so

easy to get around right now.

Like you can just use mid journey and

like, yeah, generate a

quick video, some check.

This is this is the point is

to make our kids smarter. Yeah.

It's yeah.

I mean, to figure out how to tinker with

stuff to get around things.

I mean, right. I just see this as a way

to make kids smarter.

But in all reality, like it

will stop some, but not all.

Most probably.

I am curious, though, like I do think

having some safety for

kids online is important.

I just don't know what would be the right

route to go about implementing this.

I think they're definitely going very.

Hard in the paint online.

One option that just makes it more

difficult, I feel like, for

people that would

consume the content typically.

I mean, I don't know if you guys have

like thought about this much, but like,

what would they be able to do to actually

implement a system

that would protect kids?

Or what should they?

Oh, interesting.

Yeah, I've thought of my pets illegal

until they're like five.

I've thought about this to some degree.

And like there there isn't I don't think

that there's like a layer

seven way of doing this.

Right. Like, you know, the OSI model of

the Internet layer seven

is like the HTTP protocol.

Is that right?

Yeah, I think that the app, whatever.

I don't think that there's a way that

that the current Internet

can reliably be used to like

filter out children in situations where

they shouldn't be

access accessing content.

Right. Like, I think that there needs to

like if they if they're

actually intent on doing this,

there needs to be a distributed and like

revamped HTTP or whole

like OSI stack in order to

accommodate something like this, because

I don't know, I feel like

if you're going to use the

Internet and they want this to work, then

then you would have to like

have an individual license

for every individual. Right. Like and and

it would have to be

authenticated at a lower layer rather

than at the application layer, maybe at

the HTTP layer, who knows.

But it would have to be embedded

in the Internet. It can't be tacked on.

And you would. And the

way I would do it, honestly,

is you would go to your town office or

your city hall and you

would get a license to use the

Internet and it's tied to your real

identity. And you wouldn't

actually send your credentials

through the Internet to whatever services

you're using. You would send

them to you would send like

a hash that can just be validated against

like a government

organization that would be in charge

of doing the licensing. Dude, if they

made people get a license to use the

Internet, can you imagine

how much like better the Internet would

get overnight if you had to

pass like a basic literacy

test to tell me about it? Right. Like

like and here's what the

here's what the licensing would

would require. You have to know how to

use a password manager.

Right. You have to know how

to do like secure things. And people

scoff at this idea. Right. I've thought

about this for a while,

actually, just having a license to use

the Internet. But it's

like what's more dangerous,

like driving a car or having your banking

and personal information

leaked online? Like I think

they're almost equally dangerous in

different ways. And it's

like, you should have to prove

that you know what the hell you're doing

on the Internet and that

you're a real person. And then

I don't know, there could be ways of

like, authenticating like

bots to act on your behalf

or whatever. But then it would be tied to

an individual license

that could be revoked. And

like, oh, you're spamming people get the

fuck off the Internet. You're done.

Sorry, you don't get to

come back for 10 years if you're spamming

people in an awful way. I

don't know. I think that there's

value in that. But also I can see why

that would be terrifying as well. So

yeah, I'm not advocating

for it necessarily. It's an interesting

option. I definitely think

to at least have access to

certain parts of the Internet would be

nice to have it licensed.

Like with with guns, I think

gun ownership should come with a license

like with training. Like you should be

able to at least know

what you should do with and what your

your rights are. I think

similar with the Internet. But

I and I say this more for like, let's say

games. And we've talked

about this before where

I would be fine submitting my ID to a

universal system that's like

government based to allow me

to get into lobbies and play games with

people that are just not

assholes. Oh, my God. I have to

really show that they were who they are.

Like in Hunt Showdown, man,

I want to be in lobbies where

people don't use Prox Chat like that

would be so great. And it would be nice

if they could use it

to actually make the servers like region

locked because they're not

at all in these games. It's

annoying. Do you solo hunt showdown or do

you have a group you

play with? I do play solo a

little bit, but I usually like if I'm my

buddies aren't on, I'll

like cue into like a like Trios

lobby. And then I have like one guy I

play with a lot and they have

duos mode. So we usually just

play duos. Yeah, because it's it's you

can do by yourself duos or a

three person team, right? Yeah.

Yeah. So there's another mode called

bounty clash, which is like one area from

the map. And then the

boss is already dead. And it's 10 minutes

that you can't solo queue

in because it's like not the

lobbies are totally open. So like you

could be put up against a

three stack. And so it's like

lopsided. But you can set yourself as a

solo and get a perk that

lets you revive and stuff for

the regular mode and everything. But

yeah, it's like absolutely brutal. And

then when some guy's

yelling at you in like Chinese, it just

makes it 10 times worse. Yeah, it's

definitely not like some

people have a lot of fun. Just rage

raging at other people or rage baiting.

Yeah. In games, I do

not know. I'm there just to have a fun. I

played siege for like six

months during COVID with my

buddy. And that game just brings brings

it out to you, man. If you've never

played it, it is the

most toxic game I've ever played. Like

it's just adrenaline. It's I stopped

playing it because I

was like having heart palpitations. I was

like, this is too much

siege. That sounds so familiar.

Oh, Rainbow Six Siege. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yeah.

Yeah, I heard an interesting term for the

first time this week. Friend slop.

Oh, yeah. That's I let that's why I

laughed when he brought

up. He was playing peak.

I that's what I call my buddies love

those kind of games.

Yeah. Like the five dollar

AC or like not really asynchronous, but

like five dollar co-op game

where it's got Prox chat and

then the A.I. monster that just kills you

one hit. They're called

like friend slop on Twitter.

I thought that was funny. But yeah, peak

is peak is a good one. I like peak.

I haven't played it. I don't

think I've even heard of peak.

Yeah, it's it's one that came out in the

past week or two to.

Oh, really? Dude, I'm so disconnected. I

think of myself as a

gamer, but I'm literally just

playing like retro shit like I don't I

don't play still a

gamer. You're still a gamer.

Well, just like when I was younger, when

I thought about like a

gamer, it's like, oh,

I watch E3 and I got, you know, all that.

Yeah. And I'm like

connected. I know what's

going on in the gaming industry. And like

now I'm like, dude, just

give me summer car 64 or like

I have a I have a game boy advance flash

cart that I have in my game

boy player on my game cube.

And it's like. It's like, that's my shit.

Like I want to play that.

I don't want to play modern

games. I find modern games boring. Well,

you might like abiotic

factor because it is definitely

reminiscent of like multiple genres and

the eras of gaming. Yeah,

no, I looked it up. It looks

really, really cool. I'm definitely going

to check that out. Yeah,

like it's it's it's I have I

stream every week on my games reveal

channel just to chat with everyone on

there. And they're the

ones that tell me about all the stuff and

then they want to play

in the server games. And I

usually like to jump in and play stuff

with them every once in a

while. So that's how I keep

informed that and we do our streams here

to where we watch news. So

plus kids, my kids would like

love peak. So I don't have a choice. I

get to learn about all the

stuff. All the kids in my life,

like my nephew, my niece, my nieces and

my friends, kids are like,

they're like, dude, oh, man,

among us. And like all these like, I

think among us probably counts as

friends, but like they just

want to play all these games. And I'm

like, and they want to play

with me. And I'm like, I have

to work for a living. I don't have time

to play video games like

that. Yeah, my my little cousins

play the college football game. They're

really into that. Oh,

nice. Dude, I think I think

football video games peaked at Madden

2003. That's where it

peaked. Probably. I mean,

I haven't bought one in so long. I bought

the new F1 and it's fine.

It's like I just think I

haven't played enough one game since

probably like twenty two or twenty three.

And then I gave it a

few years and I was like, it's the same

game every time they got me again. Same

time. So like sports

games, I kind of went through my phase

with sports games and I'm just kind of

over it. Yeah. I played

those back 15, 10, 15 years ago. They

haven't improved. So kind

of done even Counter-Strike.

I'm kind of over with like eSports. Yeah,

it's been probably 10

years since I've touched

Counter-Strike, besides like when they

released Counter-Strike 2

and I kind of played it for

like five minutes to see what was

different. Not a whole lot surprisingly.

Like it's still fun,

but it was just I was a little

disappointed how similar it still was. I

was interested about the

in Counter-Strike 2's like graphical

upgrades and some of the more

technical details. But beyond

that, I just the only thing that really

got my attention was the

volumetric smoke stuff. And even

like me.

Pretty cool. But yeah, it's I'm not

playing games. I mean, I'll play like

single player games for the

technical side of stuff, but I'm not

going to keep on playing online games

weirdly enough. And this

probably shows how brainbroken I am

sometimes, but I do like I

still do like what it's called

um League of Legends.

I has a really bad like rap. I haven't

played in a while, but

like that's one that if I get

a group of friends together, that's one

I'll play. But that one's if

you don't have a group, it is

it's probably some of the worst people.

Yeah, I played that in college and my

friends were part of

the worst people category

in that game. I'm looking at what I

played recently. A

multiplayer wise Elden Ring Night

Rain. I forgot I didn't mention that

earlier, but I have like a

hundred hours in that now.

And I just want more content. I've done

everything. So that game's good.

Nice. Yeah, so damn, I have to try that

out. I'm not usually the

biggest Elden Ring fan,

but it's still fun. To kind of bring this

back though, like with kids,

we can move on to the next topic, but

soon, but I just really

curious how UK is going to pass the

like actually going to make this work.

And I just don't think it's

going to be very successful.

So are they going to just get more

intense with their law? Like I'm fine

with them trying to put

laws in. It's when they try to enforce it

in ways that are like,

okay, you going to throw

the kid in jail or the parents in jail

because they went on to

YouTube or watch a YouTube video.

That's not appropriate. Like, like, I

feel like I grew up just

fine and I watched somewhat

inappropriate stuff when I was in my

teens. So yeah, they, they

have all sorts of laws over there

about like what you can tweet and what

you can post and they will

throw you in jail for it. And

I saw there was a big controversy because

they flagged like some US

citizens tweets and tried to

extradite them to try to like put them in

court for tweets. And

it became a big thing,

which they like opened up a lawsuit from

them for them from the US government. So

like, yeah, I'd like to see them try to

enforce that overseas. But

I think it's going to come

here because I saw Spotify this week was

implementing the same thing in the United

States. I'm pretty sure. And I use Apple

music, but like, if I

have to scan my face

to use Apple music, like I'm just like at

that point, I'm going to

be like Kojima and buy the

new Walkman and just download my music.

It's not like worth it.

Yeah. Or you could be like

gardener and get a zoom. Oh, you have a

zoom. Which one? Oh, that's

awesome. Dude, this is the

original 30 model. And that's sick. I use

it all the time. Did you

have to replace the battery or

anything? Not yet. Oh, that's cool. I

want to. And I want to get

like a like a SSD drive in it

because it's still spinning drive. But

yeah, I have an iPod

classic and I did the SSD swap and

it's so good. Yeah, it's like, yeah, I

just I just wish it had Bluetooth because

like I like, you know,

I like having the headphone port, but

like if I could solder, I

would solder on a Bluetooth

adapter thing and then just use my

freaking Sony air airbuds. Yeah. So it

has Wi-Fi in it. And so

that makes me think that it's possible to

do Bluetooth, but there

is no Bluetooth setting.

And unfortunately, the the zoom hasn't

been like successfully

hacked. So you can't do custom

firmware and shit. So I think I said last

week, like if someone if I got 1000

bucks, I'll put down

this right hacking the zoom. Like if

someone would be cool to

actually earn some money. But

yeah, I have a scraper like this this app

that runs on my MacBook

that like when I add a song

to a playlist on Apple Music, it just

scrapes it and downloads it

with art and everything. So I

have all my stuff backed up. Nice. But

yeah, like, you know, I'm not scanning my

face to go listen to

freaking music at the gym. Like, get out

of here with that. Yeah.

You might you know, who's not

going to to follow this law, the pirate

bay. Yeah, right. Exactly.

Torrin clients. Thank you.

Well, I'll go back in time to like high

school. Yeah. Lime wire is

coming back. Oh, my God. No.

So I don't think app I think Apple has

enough information that

they can just age gate it,

at least for like everywhere else except

for UK. But meaning I'd be

shocked if certain places just

had you check every time. That's kind of

as nine. I'm hoping that if

they do, I'm okay if I have to

check and like put in some ID or

something like that for one time

personally. But I'm also at the

stage in my life where I'm just like, you

know, like all my info is

out there anyway. Who gives a

I know it really is like that. As long as

I my bank account doesn't

get leaked leaked again.

I'm fine with whatever. So you want to

know it's sure I got to pay a mortgage

man. You can take my

wife. I mean, you want my kids. Which

one? Which one does it take

to get access to the Internet?

Put the price in the back. Yeah. At some

point, though, I really do

think we need to have like

a discussion as a culture about the

importance of the Internet.

Like I know, like it's it's

infiltrated everybody's like most

intimate daily activities. But is it

fucking worth it? I say this

as a content creator. I know. I don't I

just don't feel like it contributes

enough value to my life

personally, like professionally. I do

this stuff and it does like pay the

bills. But on the other

hand, I just it sucks. I hate the

Internet. It's terrible. I do too. I like

I like you too. I like

watch. I don't really I watch movies,

obviously, but I don't watch

TV. I'm just out on TV. No TV.

So I watch a lot, just mostly YouTube.

I'd like to have YouTube and like a

couple online games. But

outside of that, I could do without the

rest of it, honestly. Yeah. I

love it. I love the Internet,

but I also don't like dealing with like I

don't do social media that much. Yeah.

And that's the part where I'm like, I do

kind of just want I'm tired

of social media is what I'm

saying is just the amount of either like

unverified news that

just because I live in Utah,

the amount of people that get tricked by

the by the news, you know,

fake news and all that is just

crazy amount. I'm just tired of it. I

want some regulations into

what people can say and like

actually pass around. But well, here's

the thing. It's like, what

is actually going on here with

this bill? The the it's like they're

trying to protect kids from,

you know, sexual content or

violent content or extremist content,

whatever. But it's like,

what if we look at it from a

different angle? What if we regulate what

kinds of websites are allowed

to exist and not worry about

the kids that are online? Right? Like

just social media as it as it stands is

entirely it's just one

big dark pattern, right? It's designed to

keep you online, keep you

addicted, keep you scrolling,

keep showing ads to you. And if we say as

a as a society, we don't

want that to exist anymore.

That is valid, right? Like, we're not

curtailing speech at that

point. We're not like having to

talk about licensing to get on the

internet or whatever, or validating who

you are. We're talking

about this product is detrimental to us

as a society, as a species

even, and it should not exist.

And therefore, we're making it illegal.

That is okay. In my book,

like that is something that

governments are supposed to do. And it's

not a speech issue. It's,

it's a culture issue. It's a,

it's a matter of, you know, decency. I

don't know. I really don't think we're

gonna ever be able to

get social media fully banned. I think

our best bet is to slowly

worm in some protections. And

that's about, I think all we can really

do. I mean, look at TikTok

alone, it was supposed to die off

and it didn't. Yeah. I don't, I don't

like TikTok anymore. I

like Instagram reels.

Is that where you get your buzz from your

social media buzz? Yeah.

You're high. It's such a like

wild shit from TikTok. Cause it goes from

like, you know, like dogs

and chicks dancing to like

people crashing their car, jumping off

roofs. Then it's like

acoustic covers of songs. It's

just totally crazy stuff. Instagram. Like

that's how the feed works. I

mainly use Instagram partially

because my wife does. And so she'll send

me stuff all the time. And I'm like

there, there for a while,

I was really bad at just logging on and

every day and just looking

at it for like an hour or two.

Now I just don't. Instagram ads pull from

like Etsy. So like, it's so

funny. I'll get ads for like,

you know, this high produced t-shirt or

something. And then the next

one is like old cigarettes.

Cause it just like, it's definitely like

listens to you talk and like

scans your texts and stuff.

So it's like, you might be interested in

these cigarettes from

1960. And I'm like, I kind of

am like, I can't even grab those. That's

really funny. You know what?

I'll have to say this right

now. I'm just glad that someone listens

to me. Maybe we shouldn't

stop these dark patterns.

Cause you know what? I need, I need like,

whether it be an entity, AI,

whatever, just listen to me.

Yeah. Instagram ads. They're fine. They

get me all the time. It's

not even like an ad. It's just

like reminding me to buy stuff. Like if I

tell my wife, oh man, I need to get

propane. Like I'll see

a propane tank pop up on Instagram reels

and I'm like, Oh yeah, I

gotta go to the gas station.

Dude. I, the, the, I only have like a

couple of apps installed on

my phone. Like, um, I don't,

if I want to use Instagram or Facebook or

anything on my phone, I

literally go into my web browser

and open the page there. Old school. I

won't, I will not install it.

Um, because they listened to

me and I hate it. I want to be left

alone. I don't want anyone

to listen to me. We, we could

be a study gardener. You'd be the, like

the, on the extreme side

of like being very privacy

oriented. And then I'm going to be on the

other side of being open

completely. And they're going

to have to do a study on us to see like

our brains later on. See what, see if,

uh, it feels like my

brain's already starting to calcify. I'm

36 and I'm like, I just am

witnessing myself becoming

dumber and dumber every day. And I'm

like, what is going on? I

don't, I don't even think it has

anything to do with like, uh,

smartphones. I only use my phone. Like,

you know how, like it has a

digital wellness stuff on, on phones.

Mine says like, let me look at mine. What

does it say right now?

Uh, I don't even remember how to find it.

Well, while you're finding that Annie is

making me smarter. So as you're

classifying, I'm using AI to make myself

smarter. Which one is Amy?

She's the, uh, grok bot that Elon Musk

released that the one

chick with the, uh, pigtails.

Dude. Okay. So I saw it. I used my phone

for an hour and 30 minutes.

And that was because I was playing music

when I was driving,

uh, yesterday. So like,

I probably only use it for 45 minutes.

Like actually looking at the screen.

I don't want to see my

uses. I don't want to see that.

I used Instagram reels probably for an

hour on the treadmill yesterday.

Then I was waiting for a video to export

and I played car X street for an hour.

Nice.

I know I did that. That's multitasking. I

think that's well

deserved. Yeah. Breaks. Definitely.

Oh God. My average this week is eight

hours. On your phone?

Yeah. But I use my phone for like

listening to podcasts while I

work. And I use my phone for

like everything. No judgment here. I'm

not trying to make you

feel insecure about that.

No, I should feel bad. I

should feel bad about myself.

And, um, I don't see an average. I have

an Android phone, but so one

hour and 30, two hours and two

hours and 30, one hour and 10. Yeah.

You're just playing your N 64, right?

Yeah, dude. And 64 arm working on videos

or doing stuff for my

clients or whatever. Like,

yeah, I never, I just don't, I hate my

phone. I don't want it.

So I use mine for like, I like podcasts.

I like to listen to like

what's going on either news wise

or entertainment. Well, especially while

I'm doing chores and

doing stuff like that. Uh,

I watch YouTube videos all the time on

it. Yeah. Um, I, the

majority of the time on my phone is

when I'm watching videos, but when I go

for runs, I literally take my zoom with

me and I'm listening.

Like I don't, I don't want to use my

phone. Yeah. I know I'm

weird. I'm a weirdo. I know.

No, I, I'm kind of like that with social

media though. Like I

don't want to use it and I do

especially like it's really hard. Cause

if you want to grow a

brand, you really need to use it.

And I just so resistant. Yeah. But it

will be interesting to

see how this all goes with

the, um, with the children. Well, well,

somebody think of the

children and I mean, if you're

blocking, like, is that going to be even

be news? Like, Oh, you can't

hear about what's going on in

like, let's say not to get too political,

but like Gaza or

something like that. Like,

can they not learn about that? Can they

not learn about, uh, things

going on in the world? So I'm

really curious how they're going to

filter out different aspects for

children. They're, they

might as honestly, they probably be

easier for them to just be like, okay,

here's your little safety

browser. This is the only thing you can

use and just be very

limited. I think any other thing

else is going to be really hard. All

these kids are going to

be on telegram. Oh God.

Well, that's, if you want to leak your

information and then you

go on telegram. Yeah. So

telegram is not as secure as people think

it is. That's the thing

that, uh, that's another reason.

I think I kind of play the whole, like, I

just assume almost

everything's insecure. So yeah.

I'm just assuming whatever I'm doing is

going to probably be leaked.

So yeah. Yeah. No surprises.

I'm not going to be any in any Epstein

list or anything like that.

Okay. Let's rein this back in gamers. So

let's go to, let's get

into the, uh, the next topic.

So gamers working together to reverse

payment processor bands

is an interesting, uh,

it's been interesting to pass two weeks

with this payment

processor stuff. Yeah. Both like,

I think our opinions on here and just

what's been going on. So

gamers have been in a frenzy ever

since payment processors and collective

shout decided to go after

adult games on steam and

itch.io. Some gamers have even gotten

responses from visa where they claim as

long as said material

being transacted is legal, then it's good

to go, which is so bizarre.

I, and it's bizarre that they

went after steam and itch.io, but there's

like so many other places

that you can buy games. Yeah.

Did you see that GOG did that bundle of

like adult games for

free and 12 games for free.

They had like a tutorial on how to hide

your games in your library,

but it's like, I'm not adding those to my

account, but like, I

respect the idea. I guess

I think it's cool. Interesting. I find it

suspicious whenever like these like, uh,

organizations or whatever go after steam

and not Microsoft with Xbox or

PlayStation, because it's

like, is this like an end to like a

secret industry lobby,

like that's trying to like

unseat the, you know, valve from the

throne. You know what I'm saying? Like

it's gotta be. And then

it's weird because Nintendo has a ton of

lewd games on there. Like

they're up, there's like AI

slop uploaded all the time. That's like,

you know, school girl surprise puzzle

game or whatever. Like

if you ever go through the new section on

the eShop, it's crazy.

Well, they don't want to go

after Nintendo. Nintendo sues, they bite,

they have a bite. Yeah. I

feel like valve also could

get pretty litigious if you push them

hard enough, which I guess would be, it'd

be interesting. I was

going to say nice, but if they lose the

lawsuit, then that could be

bad overall. Yeah. They could

be gearing up to maybe a lawsuit or

something. All I know is,

um, this is why you don't want

non-governmental centralized processing

systems like this, where

you don't really have a say.

This not, it's not like you could, uh,

petition your local

government to change things. It's,

you're just beholden to what a

corporation wants to do. Yeah. It's just,

it's crazy that like a bunch

of, you know, I don't, I can't, I was

thinking I ran through like

every insult in my head that I

was going to say, but we're on YouTube.

So I won't say it was just like a bunch

of fucking, you know,

hags sitting around in Australia, just

being like, I don't like this. And that

they're getting this

much stuff taken down. Like that's crazy

that they're able to do

that. Yeah. They're living

good right now. There must be on a high

getting all that power.

It's, this reminds me of the

nineties and the two thousands. Once

again, like we went through stuff like

this before. Um, I've

seen it because, uh, just kind of where I

live, I've saw firsthand

people trying to stop stuff

like this, but it's definitely like with

GOG, um, and some of these other

companies, even itch.io.

Uh, I can't remember if we talked about

this is looking into, um,

different payment processing

systems like, uh, stripe. Yeah. Well,

stripe still has to use

stripe will use multiple different

methods. You can use like visa and

mastercard, but yeah, it will be, um,

they have additional,

it's just interesting that mastercard and

visa, cause it's both of

them, right? Like mastercard

and visa are both doing this. Um, is

there like, are they going to

merge one day? Is there, are

they owned by the same parent company? I

really don't know. Like it's really

weird. Cause it seems

like every time stuff like this happens,

they're kind of lock and

lock step. Like they're doing it

together. It's they, they took on some

horror game called vile

exhumed. And that pissed me off.

I was like, like the, I care obviously

like about the adult games. I'm like,

let the Gooners play their stuff. But

like it didn't really affect me. And then

seeing a cool new horror game get taken

down is kind of crazy. And

the funny thing is the game

that got taken down and vile exhumed

deals with a lot of the stuff that this

collective shout group

is upset about. So it's like, it's kind

of hurting the games that

they'd probably enjoy playing the

most. Like it's weird, very not thought

out. Yeah. I definitely

think like some of the games that

were taken down for off steam, I'm just

like, well, I don't know.

Like there's, I think they

more were, should have been on an adult

only site, but that's

just what it is. You know,

whatever. Like there's a, there's a place

and companies can choose

to remove the games that

they want, but this has gone beyond that

and it's getting worse. So it's funny

when you uncheck that

filter on steam and look at the top

sellers. Cause it's like, Oh,

people are buying this stuff a

lot. Yeah. Well, that's why it hasn't

been removed before that. Right. Right.

Yeah. I go back and forth

on the whole steam thing. They do, they

do like protected enough,

but there are just certain

topics where I'm just like, I'd prefer

that to be on an adults only

website. Cause my kid is on

steam and if they find a way to unlock

it, yeah, I don't know what

it is. I guess. Um, so yeah,

any last thoughts on this, uh, payment

processing stuff we've kind of covered

it. You guys covered

this a lot. Yeah. We talked about it both

last week and the week

before. Um, I guess the one

thing that I will say, and this is

something that I have strongly believed

for awhile is this like

any industry that through their marketing

positions themselves as

freedom, right? Like if you buy our

product, you become free is a load of

horse shit. Right. And so like

with, when every time valve is

like, Oh, we're protecting free speech on

our platform. I think that

that's a bunch of bullshit.

Like I just don't, it's because like,

it's clear that they, they

actually do have certain things

that they don't want on their platform.

Uh, and it's arbitrary, right? So, uh,

with this, it's just,

you know, valve's not, I mean, Gabe's not

going to be able to buy

another yacht company. If he,

if he removes, uh, whatever, like, uh,

porn games from his website or from

steam. So it's like,

I don't know, this could be like a

roundabout way of like

getting those things removed,

but I don't, I don't think he even wants

that. It's just so weird. I, I just,

it's so gross. The world

we live in makes me sad.

Oh, there's a lot, there's a lot of good

stuff. You gotta look

at the bright stuff,

but, uh, unfortunately, you know, those

incest games got gave

his, his, uh, last yacht. So

that's one of the bad, one of the goods

is maybe some of the good

games are getting him in the

company. Uh, which we can talk about that

later, but man gave in

man. Um, so talking about slop

and everything earlier, the new age of AI

slop, Amazon invest in

fables show runner AI streaming

platform, which is that's a thing. I

never thought I would, you know, say a

phrase, whatever. So

fable and AI startup has created the show

runner service, which has

been described as Netflix for

AI, allowing users to effectively AI

effectively generate AI and

a TV shows based on some set

parameters. They are also in talks with

major Hollywood studios

and companies like Disney

to license IP for use in these show

runner AI in the show runner

AI platform. Some have posted

clips of AI generated episodes on

YouTube. Uh, and this is from

high tech. So he's, he's given

us something from beyond the, well, he's

still in Houston. I was

going to say beyond Japan, but,

and let, uh, let me tell you, they do not

look good. Uh, yeah,

they're just like Rick and Morty

ripoffs. Morty is coming. He's coming for

you, Morty. Oh, that's good.

It's pretty much what they,

I watched a couple of clips and I was

like, I'm checking out. I

don't really watch TV anymore,

but yeah. Surprise. That's okay. Star

Trek. You got North pulse

South park. I don't know.

I, it's like AI isn't even at the point

yet where it can do this even like

marginally well, like

it does. It's still, it's still lacking

like the context window

to be able to write a whole

episode of a show, let alone a season of

a show. So like, I dunno, they're just,

they're just in this

to get views and to get clicks and shit.

But I mean, I, I, it's just

not going to be good at all.

I can't even fathom why they're doing

this. It's gotta be training

the model, having people make

their garbage through it. Yeah. Oh yeah.

At the end of the day, this

is, so for people like me,

I find this stuff entertaining, but not

in the way that you'd think. It's like

last week when we did

the AI Jason for he's a dating chat that

we did. It was, it was fun.

It was, it was so it wasn't,

it was a chat. It was a chat bot

essentially. So like a text based chat.

And yeah, he, you know,

we got a little, where's my mom? Oh, he

Jason was like a caressing

James's face and being like,

you're a good victim. And then James was

like, yes, daddy. Yeah.

I'll have a short up on it

shortly. And if you watch the beginning

of our last episode, Jimmy, you'll, um,

it's a cold opening that Gardner did. So

I watched it. Oh,

that's the stuff I enjoy.

I like, I like doing the little stupid

edgy stuff sometimes. Um, and

so I can have fun with this,

but if you're replacing your regular TV

watching with this, like

your, I think your IQ is pretty

low. So I don't know. Like, yeah. Yeah.

If you're, if you're not

doing, if you're doing ironically,

like, Oh, I want to watch my own show on

exit Valley, um, and make

my own thing and just like,

okay. But you gotta realize the part of

the fun of like consuming

games and other media is what

other people imagine, not just what you

can imagine. If you can imagine

something, you create

it for other people, not usually for

yourself. So I'm curious

to see how this all goes.

Because I see AI being used as a tool,

but you're trying to

replace like whole industry.

Yeah. I don't know if it's going to end

well. This just isn't

going to make money. There's

literally no way. I agree. I don't think

it's going to make that

much money. It's probably,

I can't remember which one of you said

it, but it's probably

going to be for training the AI

more than anything. So interesting, but I

get, man, I mean, I look at this stuff.

None of looks interesting to me. No, no,

like it all just looks like other stuff.

Yeah. And not even in a good way. Yeah.

There's ways to make it look good. That

might make it look, you

know, might be interesting, but

I just, oh man. Got a little bit of

uncanny valley, uh, which

is weird for like a cartoon.

Just seems off. Yeah. Well, I mean,

scroll up like to the top.

That's a, that's basically Donald Trump

right there in the front row too.

Oh, I saw a clip from that show and it

was just Trump and the Elan's in it too.

Oh my God. In the Zuck.

Yeah. Is that supposed to be Elon there

on the second from the left?

That's Elon. He looks like he's wearing

like a Star Trek enterprise.

And then Zucks in the

middle. That's Zuck? No.

Yeah. They made him look more human. I

thought that was on the

left there. The far left.

Terminator. Yeah. Right.

He got me. No, he needs to be a lot wider

and more robotic. Yeah.

I think the Terminator

might be more human than he is.

Definitely. A little brutal, but man,

that guy. What a journey he's taking.

So yeah, I do think.

I'm not going to like, say,

like, like, propose something.

Like propose a band, this type of stuff.

But if these companies

think they're going to like fund

it, they're going to be putting money

into it and then when it fails and

they're, what are they

going to do? Just lay off a bunch of

other people on their actual good TV

series. Because that's

what Netflix tends to do. Like, so is

Amazon going to be doing

that? Are they going to be laying

off people from actual good TV series to

just continue this law?

That's what it seems like

in other industries is happening. So I

think that's the worst

part about all this. And I

about ready to cut the cable on some of

these companies. They

just sometimes bring out

Amazon, Netflix and all that always have

like one TV series that I

like, which makes it hard.

So I just don't. Okay. To

any of them. They're all trash.

Well, they have some good stuff like, um,

we don't need to get into it, but

they all have some decent. I'm very

selective. I don't have like a TV

package. I usually have

streaming packages for stuff that has,

um, services that I find interesting.

Usually more about like

a comedy or horror person. So, um, but,

uh, get into the next

topic. Sony sues 10 cent for a

blatant horizon knockoff. This is a very

interesting, uh, topic

that I'm curious if, um,

how it's actually going to go because

we'll see. Sony's, I mean, Sony's big,

but 10 cent is massive.

So, uh, 10 cents light of Motrium is very

evocative of Sony's horizon

franchise from the robotic dinosaurs to

the ancient futuristic civilization,

to the juxtaposition of depicting

indigenous lifestyles, man, high tech

picked up a dictionary

to set or this to set science, a sci-fi

element. Sony is suing

10 cent with claims that

the game is such a blatant ripoff that

it's actually confused

people into thinking that

it's the next horizon game. What is worth

mentioning is that 10

cent apparently does not

have shares in Sony in any capacity. I

mean, not shocked there.

Um, both really big companies.

Yeah. You know, I need to, I need to go

take some, uh, Motrium light. My

stomach's a little upset

right now. Wait, Carter, you don't play

new game. Have you seen how,

uh, similar this is to horizon?

Cause it's like blatant ripoff. Oh, it's

like one to one. I mean, it

doesn't have like a reputation

of just ripping off other games. Yeah.

Yeah. And like the other half of the

story is that they, uh,

went to Sony and they were like, Hey, can

we make a horizon game set

in China? And so he was like,

no. So then they just made it anyway and

changed the name. Oh my

God. So that's like why I think

people like on the legal side think this

is going to work out for Sony is because

like 10 cent directly said they were

going to make a horizon clone and then

did when they were told

not to. But like the key art and

everything like on the store page is the

exact same. Pretty much

like the characters all wear the same

little outfits. Like

it's, it's pretty, it's pretty

egregious. Like usually I'm like, I don't

know. Like, yeah, it's

left five dead of really that

similar to left four dead. And that, but

this is like, it's so

funny. This, yeah, this is pretty

blatant. The, uh, that little drone

though, kind of looks like a destiny.

Destiny. Yeah. Yeah. But

yeah, no. Oh yeah. They got the elephants

and the, and the bull ox.

Oh, that's a little different.

I don't know if they had pelicans. Yeah.

And the second one, cause you

go to San Francisco. So they

Oh, I haven't, I have, I just bought it

during the sales list.

Um, a couple of weeks ago, I

haven't played it yet. Did I buy it then?

I don't know. I haven't

played it yet. I own it,

but I've beat the first one, which I

actually really, I really did like the

game. Um, conceptually,

um, and somewhat technical, but yeah.

Yeah. The story's predictable as hell.

They definitely could have gone, um,

certain routes to just not

make it feel so much like

the other one. Like the, is this even

going to be a good game?

That's the thing. Once you

clone it so close, is it even a, it's a,

it's a soul's like I saw

gameplay of it. It's like a,

it's a soul's like gameplay style. Well,

you lost me. Yeah. Not a big souls

person. Sometimes, but

I mean, gameplay can't be, uh,

copyrighted like, you know,

genre and stuff, but like this looks like

the art style. Yeah.

Yeah. And if they also have like, um,

evidence to say that they

essentially were copying as

much as they can, they intend to. Yeah.

Yeah. That's not the

intention is a big part of it.

It's not good. If they didn't have any of

that stuff, they're just like, yeah,

we wanted the kind of like, we really

liked the genre and we wanted

to make it, um, seem good and

just end up being similar. They might be

able to get away from it, but it is

pretty close. I don't

know. Why can't human beings kill God? I

mean, that is different. I don't think

there is anything with.

Huh. There are parts that

are different. It's just

the general art style is the same. Yeah.

They should have done a couple of things

to just make it a little different.

Like the robots themselves, like the

animals and everything. They're so close.

Yeah. Oh, that's, that seems different.

It's like Doon. Yeah. They're just like,

take a couple of different

games and then copy them, but

I don't know.

Scorpions. Okay. I mean,

you know, I hope Sony wins.

That's pretty much all I am. You're not a

fan of the legal documents.

It's funny. They like have

left and right side columns with like

their game are gay. And it's like, not

only is the art style

one-to-one drop, but like their press

materials, like their screenshots and

everything, they lay

them out the same, put the characters in

the same spot and

everything. They're like,

they're just using our shit. I mean, I'm

seeing some stuff that's

different. So it's really

unfortunate that they went the route they

went. Yeah. Because they

could have actually, like the

more I'm watching the more I'm like,

okay, this is actually a

little bit more interesting, but,

they unfortunately, they went too close

to the, yeah, but Verizon

zero, Don's are our style and

design. It's going to get them in

trouble. They could have, they could even

started building this

out that way and then changed out our

assets if they really

wanted, but now they're just going

to end up in legal trouble and probably

having to pay, whether it be like

royalties or something.

We'll see what Sony decides during the

lawsuit, but yep. Wow.

Dude, if you just look up,

light of Motrium horizon zero, Don,

there's like the box art

comparison. It's just wild.

Like they're basically the same. So is it

going to be like, I got

your game or something where

you're just going to have to probably

pay? Yeah. Man, it definitely doesn't

have my interest. I'm

not a fan of those types of games. Unless

you bring in like,

like if Half-Life did it,

I would do it, but I don't think Valve

would ever do that. I

have my weaknesses. Okay.

So let's get on to the next topic here.

This has been fun enough,

but 10 cent, you're screwed.

On to the next thing, Duckstation dev,

Sten-Zek to cancel

Linux support for emulator.

So Sten-Zek is fed up with the arch old

users and has had it with the complaining

to him, even though it's clearly user

errors. Step one was refusing

to build an arc environment.

Step two is outright refusing to build

and Linux support hasn't

happened just yet, but it's high,

highly disappointing to see Duckstation

going this route. This is interesting.

Yeah. I mean, I feel, I'm just worried

about Sten-Zek, man. I'm

like, are you okay, buddy?

Like he's just made some very strange

decisions over the last little while

about about Duckstation.

Like it's no longer open source, right?

Like that was the, that was

the big thing a couple of months

ago. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think you're right.

It's, it's, uh, let's

see. Um, the license is

attribution, non-commercial,

non-derivative. I guess

it's creative commons now,

which is not technically open source.

Yeah. Interesting. So

yeah, creative commons. Okay.

So, uh, but I mean, people could, uh,

fork it before if they

wanted before the, um, license

change, right? So people could always do

that, but it sounds like

getting pretty defensive on this

game. Um, sounds like, I mean, there are

some really annoying

Linux users, but if you were,

yeah, what are people like bugging him

about? Uh, it sounds like,

um, the way certain distros

are packaging Duckstation, it's causing,

um, errors with, with

Duckstation and that leads to

end users complaining to Sten-Zek about

it, but it's out of his

control because the maintainers

are passing through. I get it. Okay.

Yeah. So I see that that's a

bummer. This is the main PS1

emulator that Emu-Duck uses. Yeah. Yeah.

Is there another one? Um,

there are a few others. Um, yeah.

And honestly, I mean, Duckstation has

really great compatibility and

everything, but like,

uh, what's the other one? Mednafen has a

good, um, PS1 emulation

stack. Oh, cool. So that,

and I believe you can get that in

RetroArch, so it

shouldn't be that difficult for

everyone to adapt to. It just doesn't

have a good GUI as far as I know. Like,

God, you just have to use

the built-in RetroArch one.

Are you the reason why Duckstation is

dropping the Linux now, Gardner? You just

complained too much about it. Oh yeah,

no, I've been complaining

for years about how awesome

Duckstation is, but I actually really do

like Duckstation. I think

it's great. It has a good,

I mean, if I'm wrong, I believe Stenzak

was involved in, um,

PPSSPP's development too.

Oh, no, I know. Similar. Yeah, yeah. I

could be wrong about

that, but I know, um,

I don't think he's involved with it

anymore if he was, but, uh,

I know that there's like some overlap

between PPSSPP and, or there was Duck,

and Duckstation, so,

um, or maybe Stenzak was like part of

Dolphin and Left or something. I know

that there's like one

developer who's common between other

emulators. Um, but yeah,

it's, I really like Duckstation.

Their interface is great. It's very

user-friendly, and so it sucks to see this.

Yeah, it's, man, there's always been, uh,

uh, rife and stuff going on with the

emulation world, so.

I mean, Nintendo Switch just, you know,

just having the Switch emulators die off,

and now this, um, luckily everything's

open source, so, I mean,

that's one of the nice things

and important things about open source is

that if, uh, something

happens, like with this Duckstation,

someone can still fork it, at least at

one point, or, I mean,

it's creative comments,

they can still fork it and make sure that

it's supported on Linux, right?

Yeah, I mean, you could go back, you

could roll back to a

previous one that was licensed

openly, and, uh, yeah, and you could do

that. Um, but, I mean,

there's other PS1 emulators, and

I just, you know, it is nice to have a

variety, but, like, at

the same time, I think Mende

Fenn's PS1 emulation is really great. I

don't remember exactly

which, if they use a different

core or something, but,

um, I'm gonna look it up now.

Yeah, yeah, Mende Fenn actually supports