Imagine the storm of Elon Musk actually

makes to the top of the leaderboard. I'm

not here for this reality

Dude, I know what is this?

He's ruining every aspect of

my life. I can't buy any cars

You can't ride on airplanes but for a

different reason at least I have my

single-player games

and my Xbox right Gardner

Exactly, dude. Exactly. Dude. He's gonna

he's gonna try to buy

Microsoft and make it the Tesla box

It's gonna be the XX box. Come on, dude.

Did just that moment. I can see X X X box

Don't give him ideas. He loves X so much.

That's all that that seems like it

Something you do is he'd buy Xbox. Good

morning everybody and welcome to off the

console with us your

your weekly guides into the

weird

nerdy

Linux and gaming and the weird news

I'm not going on the script today because

I had no sleep last night.

We're gonna be talking about

Microsoft Muse which is their generative

AI thing that they released and we're

probably gonna talk

about the backlash as well

We're also gonna talk about Microsoft's

new state of matter that

they claim to have invented

Which I would think would be a discovery

rather than an invention,

but we'll talk about that

And we're gonna talk about a lot of other

stuff. We have Team Fortress 2

Does the

Source code update I'm very excited about

all this. So let's just jump into it.

What have you guys

been playing this week?

This is gonna be a surprise

Astrobot

They keep on updating it and

So they have a whole new galaxy that

they've updated that they're updating

like the new worlds over

the next I think few weeks

Yeah, so and it doesn't doesn't cost

anything like a DLC kind of

thing, but they just pops up

We DLC in the time current year

It's a place like

PlayStation's flagship right now game

I feel like and they're doing it right

meaning it's a love letter to their fans

It doesn't cost them extra and it's

really well polished and my kids love it

The reason I keep coming back to it is

because my kids keep on

playing it like my son

Who's four years old?

Can it could probably beat the game now

even though he'll ask for

help getting certain things

I have never seen anyone adapt to a game

so well as my four-year-old is shocked

That's so he loves it. And so it has the

challenging parts for like adults, but

also has like a lot of fun

easier things for kids to do so

He keeps playing and then asking me and

then the world's pop-up

and then we're like, oh well

It looks like we need to beat the game

again because well, you

know not play it over again

But continue playing it because there's

more to it. So I'd love to see other

Publishers and developers do this where

they just add a little

bit of extras over time

It doesn't have to be like a ton but just

a little bit it gives

It makes you feel if you get a little bit

more bang for your book

and I like that oh

Yeah, man

Sorry about that

Yeah, so I've been playing Marvel Rivals.

I've been driving my way up. I

made it to plat to platinum to

solo queuing

For the most part and I've also been

getting I've also been getting into Ender

Magnolia. I'm still I beat the game

But I haven't gotten the real ending yet.

So there's still some

work to be done that regard

and

And I haven't given up on 100% in

Bellato. I'm just putting on pause until

the game gets its update

Let's say sounds like he gave up

Going to Marvel

Well, I've been playing Marvel and I've

been going Marvel for quite some time

now, I think uh, yeah

Yeah, they just released new characters

the thing and the human

torch the last two fat

Fantastic four members didn't get a lot

of ass. So the thing

Is there some pretty cool co-op abilities

between the Fantastic

Four like the whole group?

So yeah, they do yeah, okay. Sorry. Yeah,

so if you have Sue storm you

need to have her on the team

Any of the other Fantastic Four members

get new ability where they like generate

shield based on missing health. Oh

That's cool. Yeah, that's one of the

things that I like about that game is

their their compound

abilities between characters

I like that a lot. Yeah, man a store and

storm and the human

torch have a really crazy

Synergy where if they both

use her ults at the same time

The human torch can like ignite storms

like tornado ultimate where she in like

it turns into like a firestorm

And they'd like eviscerates all the

healers I fucking hate how powerful the

healers are the game

nice

No, that's not that it's a it's a game. I

still need to get into

I'm just kind of over a superhero stuff

because like the movies were so good up

to a point and then it's just I

Don't know

It's doesn't Marlin of it

It's good Marvel doesn't know what to do.

I mean like I think I

think we can all agree that

Superhero media kind of peaked with

endgame because that was like the grand

finale of the MZ at that time, but right

They had a vision

It wasn't cookie cutter it like meaning

like they were kind of

getting more cookie cutter

I guess up to that point, but they had it

it was it was fun is exciting to follow

the whole story and then

Yeah, it kind of just fell apart as

everything just became

Even more cookie cutter. They're like,

okay, we got to release this this and

this and it doesn't

feel like anything is very

Fresh and new and it's oh

Well, gardeners he hasn't watched it and

have you like not what you haven't

watching the Marvel movies or just like

ending in particular

I saw the first Iron Man

And I saw like the

spider-man movies way back in the day

But I'm not I don't really care for

superheroes that much. Yeah, that's fair

enough. So I'm just

gonna be a brief summary

The it's like a it's

like a near 20 year arc

Starting with Iron Man the first Iron Man

movie and it culminates with

Them fighting fighting the it was

essentially at that point

the final boss of the MCU

And it was it was pretty it

was pretty epic. I will say

Now there are some now. I won't miss on

like the perfect. It's not like

It's not like a

Martin's. It's not like well

What's a what's a movie that people like

to like scream is a great

just like it's not citizen Kane

Mmm, but it's it's it's an exciting. It's

a it was a pretty fun time.

I think the problem is that a

Some of the most iconic superheroes are

either dead or retired along with their

actors. They're not doing Marvel anymore

Indeed not all they have are like

Everyone else like characters that people

really don't care that

much about like Ant-Man

Yeah

What's his name the guy Paul Rudd?

Like Paul Rudd. Yeah, Paul Rudd. Yeah,

they have a they have an interesting

habit of getting comedic

actors into superhero roles

Yeah, I

Think it works. I

Like certain super. I'm not the I'm not

even the biggest superhero fan

but

It worked and now that they're doing I

don't know what it is

Like it's just the newer

movies just aren't as fun

But on top of that I'm just not the

biggest superhero fan

either, but I did enjoy the

20-year run, you know,

like high-tech was mentioning

It was fun to follow a lot of those stuff

even though I didn't watch almost I

watched almost all of them

But didn't quite it was fun, but I want

to see them do

something else like a different

Ark, that's not superheroes per se like

the industry that is not necessarily

Marvel, but I don't know

I'm more of a Star Trek fan. So I don't

What's the lesson they made a Star Trek

movie or like anything structure related

Well, there's like a whole bunch of TV

shows on Paramount Plus, but oh the only

one that I really like of those is

I

Like season 3 of Picard, but season 1 and

2 were terrible and then

what was the other one?

Be on there. They did the Star Trek

Beyond movie back in like

2016 and I really enjoyed that. I know it

was very divisive, but I don't know

I'm like a TNG era

like deep bass 9-track guy

Did I'm such a nerd

Hey, I've watched all the Star Trek

except for the newest

Series yeah if you so

if you like the episodic

Star Trek stuff check out strange new

worlds because it's pretty good

It's not great, but like it's episodic

rather than like a like

a long series drama thing

and it's like Pike and Spock and

number one I

Can't remember her name up my head, but I

haven't watched the new season

But it's good at least we all agree that

the between the Star Trek a little better

than what Disney's been with Star Wars

Yeah, yeah, I would I don't know if I'd

say much better, but they're

definitely treating it better

They're like like Paramount Plus is is

where all the new Star Trek's are right

and so it's really kind of weird

How they're hiding it they're almost

hiding it in some yeah,

isn't that where the Halo show is

Yeah, I haven't watched that

I I heard I really wanted it to be good

And I heard that it was not and it didn't

have any respect for the source material

So you have to watch it did you have to

watch them how bad it is some people like

bad things come on man

I can't enjoy bad things it makes me sad

Enjoying bad movies is an art form. It's

like watching the room

You know what I find I

watch red letter media

And I enjoy their joy if that makes

sense, but I can't I can't actually watch

that dude when I was a kid

I'm not saying this is bad

But like when I was a kid I couldn't

watch Zena warrior princess or and or

shows like of that direct

Descendication caliber for some reason it

just like watching it made me feel sick

And it might have been like the frame

rate like of the camera or something

I don't know

But something about it just was off and

it made me feel sick

And I feel that way about a lot of like

like bad movies like the soap opera

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

like the soap opera effect

Yeah, I don't know why those are filled

that's such a high frame rate compared to

everything else

whatever yes, I don't know

Interesting

Is you know warriors definitely one of

those that I couldn't get into either

yeah, I couldn't get into it

I've never watched it. I know where this

I've seen like maybe an episode or two,

but never like

actually sat down and watch it

Yeah, I definitely has not aged well. I

will say that a hundred

percent will say that yeah

Maybe you've been playing anything or

doing anything like Gardner. Oh, man.

Yeah, so I've been playing

original Xbox quite a bit

I had a I had my friends over and we

played four-player Halo and on

Blood Gulch yeah

That was fun

original Halo or Halo

2 original Halo damn

Yeah, and I also I was playing

Halo 2 on insignia, which I don't know if

you guys have heard of insignia

Yeah, it's the replacement

Xbox Xbox alive service for

Safe it would be cool. I I have a look

all of the online play that I've ever

done was on the original xbox

Like I don't play

online games whatsoever today

Yeah, there was something magical about

it back then and I was

a teenager so I did but

Yeah, and then also I've been I've been

like benchmarking this I gotta be careful

Can you see that? Ah, is that the thing?

Is that the thing you alluded to that

went up the off off

the camera? Yes earlier

Yes, it is. Hold on. Can you see it? I

can I can see it. Yeah, it's what

Would you be was that it's a?

Rx

6600 XT so it's not like awesome, but

it's pretty good. You know, I want you

what I'd like to see, huh?

And a 50 90 in there and

if it melts the connector

Don't think a 50 90 is compatible with

this because this only has two PCI

six pins

I think the I don't know for sure but I

would guess that it's like it

takes three six pins, right? I

Don't know I was 59 I think

it I think it takes four four

A lot it takes a lot. Yeah, it's like two

of their custom or the

Like the larger pins. Yeah, Jesus

It's insane. I can't that's

unjustifiable well, you know, I

Don't know man and video has got to sell

like a hundred GPUs to like a hundred

suckers out in the world

So like, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean they

have the FOMO for it

Dude, the nice thing about this is like

well, I'm not gonna spoil it because you

guys got to watch my review

It's coming out on Monday, but

Man this thing is so cool and it doesn't

work the way you expect it to work. I'll

tell you that much. Oh

All right. Well, okay. All right. We'll

check it out on Monday

Let me just so

This is the box or

the sleeve for it PCI 16

Yeah, like 16

Like a full 16 like yeah, I think

technically it's actually 17 lines

I'll just say that

That's good. That's good. That'll be

interesting. I'm wait. You

won't have to review his review

It's really cool.

It's and it's got like a

What is it? It has a

I

an i9

13

13 900 HK processor in it. So I mean

dude, I'm super stoked about this. This

might become my like

living room theater

PC

Hmm with the GPU

attached to it, sir. Yeah. Oh

I need one of those too. It's pretty

nice. It has dual to 2.5 gigabit nix in the back. It's it's sick

Yeah, because I

believe arcade box with it. I

You know, actually I think that would be

a great application for this thing

because like it it doesn't have an

enclosure for the GPU

so if you put it in like a

You know my biggest concern about having

this sitting out in my living room is

like it just gathers dust and

You know it needs to be constantly

cleaned and stuff or like having my

friend my friend's four-year-old over and he just sticks his finger

in the fan or whatever So I think a

Arcade camera would be

actually a great idea for this

Yeah, I mean hey man, they do sell uh,

you can either out on a buy like an old

Pacman machine or whatever

the fuck or you could like

They have kids where they they cut out

all the wood such for you already

And they also like stick the vinyl on for yourself. You just have to assemble it with screwdrivers and such. Mmm

Or you'd like do it yourself, you know,

you do have a 3d printer

after all. I don't know how many

parts you would have to 3d print

Probably fewer than you would imagine

that thing is enormous. It

has a huge build volume. Oh

Yeah, but I think I'd

want an authentic like

Authentic like melamine build, you know, I got you know

My uncle built me this desk and I'd have

him help me build the arcade

I did it. But anyway, let's let's move on

to the stories of the week. Shall we I

tend to go off the rails when it comes to

I'm doing this. So it's good stuff

Yeah, before we get into it though. I

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Alright now that we've gone through the

the the spiel, right? So

the first story this week

What is this Microsoft Muse? It's a generative AI

For gameplay ideation. I have to admit I

saw this and kind of laughed at it

I check you want to take it. Yes, so

This is an AI model designed for what

they call gameplay ideation

So they've trained on one of Ninja

theories actual game

releases like four years ago

It released called

bleeding edge and essentially here

So I don't know why we can't maximize it Here so I don't know why we can't

maximize these this is kind of bogus

Yeah, so there's a bunch of different

examples so this is actual human gameplay

Like this is the actual game itself

You can see it looks like a game because

you have players running to walls and

stuff and it doesn't like

Glitch out like an AI would

Now this is a team whatever I guess

This is like

The gameplay this is

actual gameplay right here

Whatever

Now this they say he

generated by news with over

206 million parameters condition on one

second of actual gameplay in nine seconds

of action. Wait, what?

One second of gameplay nine seconds of

actions. What the

hell's that supposed to mean?

Can anyone coefficient with

AI tell what that that means?

One second of real gameplay I'm imagining

that might be footage and nine seconds of

action might be like the

Actions leading up to the footage maybe

So this is so like as you

can see he just kind of like

I don't know what's happening here

And

Looks like you know those old AVI

pirated videos you download and

one way

Lime wiring it would like break the mpeg

encoding and then just yeah. Yeah looks

like yeah, whatever man, so

it's

Consistency diversity improves see

consistency. I don't

really care about this

I just want to say this is steaming. I

think the actual story that we want to

talk about though was

Microsoft's unusual claim

with

AI

namely, for example

they want to do

backwards compatibility

So let's see. Here's here's the exact

quote today countless classic

games tied to ancient hardware

No longer played by most

people thanks to this breakthrough

We are exploring the

potential for me is to take back over

Back catalog games from our studios and

optimize them for any device

We believe this could radically change

how we preserve and experience classic

games in the future and makes it

accessible to more players

First and foremost we already have

something about guess what it's called

emulation

and emulation

Is pretty fucking good, and it's not

backed by any major

corporation for the most part

Yeah

I mean

Why why do we need this?

Like I just don't understand like there's

the fact that they're using like

backcompat to be an excuse for it for

This it's just kind of like why like what

they they want to push this stuff so

hard, and I just don't understand why

But what does backwards about even mean

for this case because it's from what we

can see news is just

Generating like gameplay ideas and stuff

Oh, is I think just enough AI generate

gameplay of older games

that is that how it's gonna be?

Like you want to play Halo 1 I just kind

of have to imagine how an

AI hallucinates a little one

Yeah, just describe

Halo 1 to chat GPT and have it output a

series of frames for you

David saw it like it's like it's like

it's like all those have you seen those

videos of AI generated do

Yeah, it doesn't yeah

So

My deal with this whole AI game

development thing my whole

Problem with it is like kind of what

gardeners asked why?

What is the point? What is the customer

gonna get from this I get it's fun like I

like it as a research thing

I don't want to see companies you try to

use this to make games

Ever honestly because here's the thing

game de Val developers like their jobs

They'd like being creative in a world

that's gonna be dominated

by AI in the next few decades

There they should be taking jobs that we

don't want to do so that

we can do creative jobs

That's if you want to be idealistic about

all this they should be

doing we should be having them

You know do better job

at picking crops of food

Doing a lot of different things that were

either not as good at or just don't enjoy

so that we can focus on creativity or

Like just a lot of different things like

it should be helping us

not replacing the fun jobs

And that's the problem with this

Flat out is why is it gonna be more

creative not anytime soon?

Is this and my fear is like I like seeing

stuff like this because it's fun to see

like a computer do something

But my fear is that why is a company that

is seeks profit, you know above all else

Doing this is it to replace the game

studios that they have or the workers at

the game studios. Yeah, it is

I mean if you like the number of

people it takes to employ to make games,

you know, like it's so expensive and

they that's why Microsoft wants this to

be the the future of the

way they make games is because

It's like if they could cut out like a

couple billion

dollars from their you know

Employees they would they'd save a ton of

money and make a bunch

of money doing it, too

Hey Microsoft, you should hire me. I am

the world's most powerful idea guy

I can use AI to make games better than a

committee of like

hundreds of developers at once

So totally man like I don't know man.

There's something with

Microsoft's like like I get it

They invested in open AI like

a shit ton of money in open AI

But at the same time though, like that

doesn't mean you have to like try to

shove AI everywhere like

we'll took a Microsoft co-pilot

That's every way now and hell

It's in notepad. It's in fucking notepad.

You have to sign in to use

co-pilot notepad I

Didn't even know that it was an old pad.

That's crazy. I have not been using

I have not been using Windows a whole lot

these days. I only use it for games and

that's about it and so

AI and notepad that's I didn't I

Don't know why it's a note like yeah, I

might understand if you put it in like

word because like you're making documents

But they tried that in the 90s and clippy

sucked. So I don't know why they're

trying to get well, hold up

We're still talking about

clippy. How bad could it be?

Dude, I don't know. I I'm so skeptical of

AI. I think that it is

nothing more than Bitcoin 2.0

Like I really don't see how this tech can

evolve beyond a chatbot or

like

You know beyond like the smoke and

mirrors of like oh we we

taught it out of how to do math too

And it's like yeah

But that's probably just some program

taking over from the

chatbot. Like I just don't see how

It can evolve beyond where it's at more

than maybe two or three years ago. Well,

I think Bitcoin is useful

I think decentralized

systems can be useful

But they're overplayed oftentimes

especially from companies that want to

make a lot of money which they do

Yeah, I think like machine learning. I

think has some very valuable

Applications right like folding at home

that that's machine learning and it's

done at scale and it's done using

Donated CPU time that's great, you know

They and and stuff like that in medical

applications in scientific applications

Sifting through massive data sets. I

think that that machine

learning makes a lot of sense

I don't see a lot of practical

applications for LLMs. I

I

Just don't see it. I don't like it's fun

to play around with

sometimes. I just don't get it

Yeah, I listen to Bitcoin. Bitcoin was

kind of cool back in the day because it

was kind of under the ground

It was decentralized and you can use it

for a lot of cool underground

Transactions like stuff that you probably

shouldn't because it's

highly illegal like the Silk Road

dark web

Like there are a lot of like there's a

lot there's like it was it used to be an

actual currency that you could like

Pay for goods and services withheld

remember when valve used to

support Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah

Obviously they stopped because the prices

of Bitcoin kept fluctuating and as such

they just kept having to

like either refund money or

Like demand or like ask for more money

and it just became a huge hassle

Yeah, that's the problem with Bitcoin

it's become a little bit more stable in

some form of fashion

But it's not a great currency for

payments right now. It's more of a I

would put it behind like a

gold standard in some ways

where

You put in store there for a while and

it's there in case of a merge. I don't

know it's a whole thing with Bitcoin

Yeah, it's like for me. I'm

not like poo-pooing Bitcoin

But I'm but it is I see AI like the the

trendiness and like the frenzy around AI

To be on par with like

the frenzy around blockchain

Right like when when

companies that were listed publicly

renamed themselves to have

Blockchain in the in the name their

company just so that

they could get investors

I mean this AI frenzy is ridiculous, and

I just don't see where LLMs are gonna go

But I do see

applications for machine learning

I think you're gonna change your mind

when the next Halo game is

made by AI and it's gonna be good

So you'll be like this is not good. It's

gonna look like cel shaded mpeg garbage

No, it's gonna be amazing and you're

gonna be shocked. No

Who knows but I will say like blockchain

has its place is overblown if it's useful

But people don't understand why it's

useful like and that's the problem is

that there's so many

people that kind of got into the

It's the almost the charlatans

All right

the business people that really don't

understand the tech that then try to use

it to make money as like

blockchain like and like

So like Bitcoin has

its use as like a gold

Standard you want to say in the in the

tech world then you got I have worked in

this industry before

There's a reason I'm not in

it anymore, but and then they

There's other blockchains that are very

useful for processing data at a cost like

is to help decentralized

They've not found the perfect balance it

and everything but you know, there's

there's points to it

Where I see game AI

Not like this type. I

don't see a point to it

but AI I will I will I am a hundred

percent behind AI to as a

tool to help so and

You know AI is not really technically a

right it's and they're trying to change

the definitions on this

which is fine. Whatever

It's just mostly

LMs and you know

machine learning stuff. So

It's very useful. So like for game

developers, it could be very useful as a

tool to help them maybe

Fast track building texture or something

like that. There's there's a lot of

different things that they could do to

help but to replace people I

Especially like a lot of people I think

Microsoft is gonna be in for a rude

awakening if they're

gonna ever try that and a

Lot of companies that are doing it right

now because there's a lot of companies

doing it meta included

even though, you know

But

Because that's a whole kind of worms, but

I think they're gonna regret it when they

eventually don't have

the people and the domain knowledge to

keep on running their products

So I I do think there's gonna be this is

where in the honeymoon period of AI and I

think there's gonna be a period

of regret I

Don't think it's a bad thing to invest in

but it doesn't need to be injected in

every aspect including notepad

It could be used for a lot of different

things, especially

very repetitive reusable

Instances heck farming can it can be a

great way to do it. There's AI projects

open source AI

projects for running a garden

That's really cool. But there's some

There's there's some and that's been

going on for years like there's some

really cool stuff that

people will blast by because

the

Try to get the bad culture right now

that's going on and I'm just worried that

it's gonna bleed into

the games where people like

I'm a business person

I'm gonna make this

YouTube channel and I'm gonna

You can make a game that will make you a

million dollars because look what I'm

doing and when they don't really do it

I it's the whole

Sorry, just going down the hole. Yeah.

Well, it's the it's the tech bro grift

again. That's what I'm skeptical

Yeah, it's like Jensen

Wong and his you know

GPU Charlotte and crew

like I just don't I have no

Respect for it and you know, like you're

saying James, there are

practical applications

I hadn't heard about the gardening thing,

but it makes total

sense like you can have

There's there are like open source

projects for maintaining gardens

like with a traditional program and if

you could take that

information and pipe it into a

Machine learning algorithm that can you

know help optimize your layout in your

garden? I think that makes a lot of sense

but it is like it's the tech bros that

are coming in and like

seeing this as a cash cow and

And and a way that they can grift people

and it sours everyone

on it. Honestly to me

It's it's also simply

reminds me of how Nintendo

Shoehorned in the we mo waggle bullshit

into all their games and it ruined

motion control for

Everyone for decades. I mean still like

there's a lot of like people who hear

motion control and they say oh

I hate motion control when really like

you play the steam deck right now with

the gyro aiming and stuff enabled

It is a transformative experience when

you're playing games

But because Nintendo shoehorned waggle

control bullshit into their games

It ruined it for a lot

of people for a long time

Nintendo

I

Like motion control

I liked it, but you didn't need to be in

everything right and you have to be

Optimized and that's the problem like you

shove it like shove into

everything and it's not optimized

You're gonna eventually you know

Piss off potentially your customers and

stuff like that. There's a place an

evolution of

technologies that need to occur

Yeah, Mario Galaxy has great motion

control. I think right,

but then you have like

New Super Mario Bros. We were in order to

like do this stupid like

twirl effect in the air

You have to shake

your controller like that

It's so silly

And it's unnecessary. Yeah, I mean, I

think yeah, I think gyro

I think people like are dismissing gyro

because it's kind of like

the same class of controls

it's a motion control so to speak and

people just kind of dismiss it because

You know well because of Nintendo the bad

reputation motion controls. I ended up

having to I don't know man. That's

AI is just kind of

Like it'll probably take a couple of

years to discover an actual good use

I think I feel like if

open the I just kind of like

Kept this under the hood for a little bit

You know kept doing research kept things

about hand closed doors for a little

longer and then unveil a

couple of great uses for AI

I think I think it wouldn't be so it

wouldn't be received so badly

You know I'll be it you know I think the

artists are always going to be kind of

against it given the nature of

generative AI

Yeah, and I actually got an email from

affinity the other day.

Do you guys know affinity?

You don't mind me who they are yet?

They do they make like affinity photo and

affinity designer, and

they're like a big night

They're there. You know

they're a big competitor to

Photoshop Adobe and a couple of months

ago. They they were like we'll never have

machine learning stuff in our products

And I got a new one from yesterday saying

hey, we're rolling out machine learning

stuff in our products

I

Don't know I don't get it

It's hard. I don't think it's a bad

thing. It's just it's got to be done

It has to be done right

and it can be done worst

Ethically and and that's a big problem

because oh you guys I don't think this is

on this list did we talk about?

Facebook torrenting a bunch of books we

have not we have not

We did talk about

Facebook's like fake AI profiles

remember that remember were they pretend

like they made a profile that was like a

Like a black queer mom or some something

like that and like no you're none of

those things you're not

even human you're an AI

That's a human experience

Yeah

I don't know we don't need to go into

that, but we can yeah

We can move on to the to the Microsoft's

new state of matter

thing, but I don't know I

Hi tech, what's this about?

Microsoft claims to created a new state

of matter. That's neither

solid liquid gas or plasma

They call it the topological qubit and

all of this is to fuel

a quantum computer now

I don't know about you, man. I don't know

that much about quantum computing

I've never seen what I'm pressing before

to be honest, and I'm not entirely sure

what sort of work they do besides

Quantum computing I guess you could say

But a new story of matter

sounds kind of insane because a

There are like there are three primary

states of matter that everyone knows and

there's plasma of course

But even then like what could it really

be that's the that's what

I'm trying to figure out

Yeah from from my understanding

the the peer-reviewed

journal that they published this in

there's been a little bit

of backlash about it because

Microsoft hasn't

actually proved that they've

Created a new state of matter. They're

just claiming they have

They haven't published how they're doing

it so other people can't check it. That's

that's my understanding anyway and I

Don't know dude. I don't trust any

anything Microsoft says

as far as I can throw it

Well dude, it's a

proprietary state of matter menu

Yeah, if Microsoft you can't do it just

Microsoft Microsoft's afraid to go and

fringe on their trademark state of matter

or some bullshit like that

Right

Yeah, like I said in the beginning. I

would think this would be

discovered not created, right?

But they can't claim a

patent on if they discovered it

That I hate patents so much

There's the likelihood of them creating

matter like a new form of matter is

probably pretty rare

especially at this point in time, but

discovering for sure and I

I think they're gonna have a hard time

with us and I think

they're just trying to

like claim to quantum computing because

quantum computing is

along with

Fusion reactors and some other stuff

They're all on the verge and it's just

taking a very long time of B breaking

into I don't know if I'd say mainstream

because quantum computing

Wouldn't necessarily be used for

something like games at least at this

point and quantum computing like

programming. It's very very different

It's very early on it is very good like a

couple of things that quantum

computing is good at is like

cryptography

like once you have a decent running

quantum computer like

no password safe up to

Let's just say you're gonna have to have

quantum base like quantum encryption

Yeah, and so it's it's gonna be

interesting and there's no way that

you're gonna see a quantum computer and

like someone's house anytime soon

So services like Microsoft might want to

be like well, we can make you a password

or encrypted password now

That's you can still use your old

password, but it's gonna be encrypted on

the server with our new server system

You know, there's there's I have a

feeling that's what

they're playing. Yeah, and so

Just stick quantum for everything there

there we have a quantum AI

Yeah, it's useful that most people don't

know what quantum means

like

You know what I'm saying?

Like is it quantifiable?

Yeah, I don't know my understanding is

like yeah, it's good at like

Anything that has to do with probability

like quantum is good at solving

like

You've probably heard like you can't

brute force this password

in in you know a hundred billion years

with a traditional

computer because it's so

Encrypted but like with a quantum

computer you could you could brute force

the password like that in a flash

because what it's capable of is like a

qubit can exist in any

state between zero and one and

Because of that

You can have all of the states like if

you have a massively

parallel qubit array or something

You can actually have them

all exist in a superposition

And then when they find the solution they

all just collapse down into the solution

That's my understanding and then there

and then you have the resulting

Whatever result you're looking for if

it's cracking a password or whatever

I'm not an expert on it though. So no

you're you're you're right on with that

Like I think that's a good simplified

version. Yeah, that is about as far about

as far as I know too

So but I would imagine Microsoft's actual

motivation for

inventing a new state of matter

For it isn't quantum supercomputer

It's for AI. That's why that's why I

think it was really gonna happen here.

Yeah, they would make some sort of L on

that's optimized for their

For their new a the new state of matter

CPU or whatever the fuck honestly, man, I

don't know that much about

quantum computing because

Never really matters if it's not my house

or if it's not usable for like a service

that we can actually access

it's all for like

scientific research anyways, so

Yeah, I just thought it was

pretty cool to talk about I

Mean it is cool and tech wise like this

is gonna be a big deal

I and I think you're right on I think AI

will also be a big part of this because I

think it would actually benefit

from a from the

probability aspect, but it's

It'll be interesting to see where it goes

and how Microsoft's gonna use it

Like I said Gardner you're gonna be

enjoying a halo of the next halo

AI

Created with a quantum with this quantum

state matter specifically to quantum halo

Enjoying is a strong

word my friend quantum halo

Halo Infinite calling Quantum Edition.

There you go.

It's going to be the best thing you ever

played and you're

going to hate your life.

The next tech bro, Grift, is going to be

Quantum Computing Bro.

It's going to be instead of like AMD is

going to call there's like calls there's

a rise in the AI plus right now.

They're going to call the

Quantum Ryzen AI plus plus.

Yeah.

See.

Okay.

We've had a we've had a hard time

changing from x86 to x64.

We've had a hard time just switching that

level of instructions and all that.

This is a whole different paradigm like

Quantum Computing is like don't expect

this type of stuff like if it ever became

mainstream to just work right off the bat

on with any other software we have.

So I think it's really hard to say that

this is going to be compatible with

anything anytime soon or have anything

that's going to be

consumer facing for anytime soon.

Yeah.

To be fair, Quantum Computing will never

replace traditional

computing as far as I understand it.

It's more like an ASIC, right?

It's more like an application

specific integrated circuit.

You're going to have a quantum module in

your smartphone, in your desktop when it

becomes a thing and it's going to be

dedicated for one specific thing, right?

Like the high

probability, high entropy stuff.

You know what?

You know what I'm more interested in

though is and this isn't on the list

because this is kind of an old thing.

But like have you heard of

superconducting FETs?

I can't say I have.

They're like they're they're

superconducting field effect transistors.

These are basically

zero energy transistors.

These are transistors that don't create

heat and they use

essentially zero energy.

It's like a hundred femto amperes.

Very, very tiny amount of energy is

actually being used.

And because of that, you can stack them

vertically and horizontally because they

don't produce heat and therefore they're

scalable in three dimensions.

I'm more excited about that in terms of

like where computing is going next.

There's a lot of compounding things and

we have hit certain limitations, right?

In our computing.

So like there's a lot of promising things

that will probably

compound in the next few decades.

I'm curious to see how it goes too,

because as long as you

know, they're not trying to.

And video doesn't get a hold of the tech

and you know, their patent is like, OK,

we're going to release the actual real

bump up in 10 years from now.

Once we get through our other lists of

sequential upgrades that are not really

revolutionary so we can

keep on making the money.

Yeah. Yeah, we'll see.

I'm excited that that

does sound interesting.

So you're saying these transistors use

nearly 100 percent efficient or nearly

100 percent efficient.

Yeah. So what happens is the entropy of

like it's the entropy of converting like

data between the zero and one

state where it's irreversible.

Right. So like when you put data in, you

can't necessarily start with

the output and work backwards.

Right. Right.

And it's that entropy that you're

introducing into the universe.

It's actually creating heat. Right.

And so what the what these

superconducting FETs are doing is it's

reversible computation.

And so because you're not introducing

empathy, entropy, it actually these

transistors are not

creating heat that way.

So you can take the output

and reverse back to the input.

And so it's very it's

that's my understanding.

I mean, I've watched a couple of videos.

I've read a few articles and it seems

very interesting to me.

And yeah, they don't they

basically produce zero heat.

Yeah, it's my bread. That's about right.

It's very minimalistic.

That does sound

interesting. Yeah, for sure.

They're a lot slower than regular

transistors, but you can scale them in

three dimensions and not have to worry

about extracting heat and cooling things.

They'll be essentially on par with

traditional transistors.

Interesting. So, yes, very

speaking of scaling up things.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And

Amazon. What is this about?

We never violated our core assumptions

before investing heavily into solutions.

So that is a quote from an Amazon exec.

So essentially, this story is that

essentially many, many years ago, Amazon

tried to take on steam.

They had a code name

vapor or some shit like that.

They essentially tried to

make a game store like steam.

But here, former Amazon executive Ethan

Evans took the LinkedIn to recall the

company's attempts to

disrupt the steam disrupt steam.

So here's what they said. They said at

Amazon, we assume that size and

visibility would be

enough to attract customers.

But we underestimate the power of

existing user habits.

We never validate our core assumptions

before investing heavily into solutions.

The truth is that gamers already had the

solution to their problems and they

weren't willing to switch platforms just

because a new one was available.

So the idea was that Amazon just wanted

to make things bigger or I don't know, I

wouldn't say better necessarily,

but they certainly want to make things

bigger and more ambitious than steam in

the hopes of attracting people.

But I mean, the problem is

that steams aren't existed.

They have their steam libraries already.

And like at this point, I

don't feel like changing launches.

Hell, I don't feel like changing launches

to Epic either, to be honest.

I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

I don't think I would ever full time

switch to Epic games unless like I'll do

something drastic, which I mean, as of

right now, I don't see that happening.

I don't put anything. I feel like today

in today's world, anything's possible.

Yeah, like at this point, I don't think

Epic would be more compromising.

Yeah. Well, I don't think I mean, I don't

think Valve will do

anything with current management.

Now there's no telling what will happen

after Gaiman retires.

But I sure hope that whoever Gaiman

grooms. Oh, wait, I

can't use that word anymore.

Shit. Wow. That is.

Wow. You're talking about him being a

groomer, huh? Well, this is news.

I got to let me rephrase that. Whoever

Gaiman selects to be his successor in

Valve, I would hope that Gabe instills

about those values onto him or at the

very least points out the fact that

they've been printing money and there are

no stupid investors or like advertisers

that they have to appeal to anymore.

They don't even like really add like

when's the last time you've really seen

an ad for steam, like

just steam by itself?

They don't really have

to. Yeah, we don't have to.

Valve doesn't do ads much.

Yeah. And that's the end.

That still prints money. Like you would

think like you would think a company like

Coca-Cola is like ubiquitous.

Like you wouldn't need advertising for a

cook, right? But like they they still

advertise their basic products every now

and then for whatever reason.

Yeah, because if you go to like a theater

and you're like, well, I'm not thirsty

now, but then you see the ad and you're

like, oh, I'm thirsty. I

might go get the Coke now.

Like that's going to be just trying to

get you to drink Coke

as often as possible.

If you're going to play a game like on

the PC, you don't really need to think

twice. You're going to steam.

This is happening now. Yeah. I mean,

you're right about that.

I just it's crazy to think that Amazon

would try to do this.

Well, it's not that crazy.

Everyone wants a piece of steams pie. And

honestly, that's probably why we don't

see steam keys from Amazon Prime.

Like do you guys have Amazon Prime? Yeah.

So you guys know how you can get free

game keys from Amazon.

Free a lot of a lot of free geogies. I

might add to that. I think

that's a pretty good value.

But I agree with that. But then epic

games and sometimes

games from Amazon themselves.

What you never see any steam keys from

Amazon now, I am

curious as to why that is.

That's probably because they hate valve.

And I mean, who would

their director better?

Yeah. Who would hate valve at this point?

Valve makes all the money. They have.

They also have all the loyal followers

and they have a lot of die hard fans.

I would basically never switch off of

steam unless they died. Right.

Yeah. You know, I think it's pretty it's

it's shockingly self-aware that this

quote where it's like we never validated

our core assumptions before investing

heavily in solutions.

If that's not the epitome of C-level

executive, that then I don't know what is

right. Like that's just like I mean,

that's that's the decision making.

That's how decision making happens at

corporations. That's how I've always seen

it. Like they don't think about things

like they are so far disconnected from

everyday people that they

make these decisions like.

Oh, and then and then everybody's like

circle jerking about. Oh, we made we made

this awesome thing. Why is it not

working? What's going? What are what's

wrong? Pour more

money on it. That's fine.

Oh, let's fire that division. Yeah, let's

give us let's give us a raise. We had the

perfect idea. We blame

the we blame the engineers.

Hey, hey, Amazon. Hire me as VP of Amazon

Prime Gaming. I can make boneheaded

decisions without thinking thinking it

through. And then I can also fire entire

divisions just to just

to make everyone's pay.

I can do that to hire me. Amazon make me

filthy fucking rich. It's a it's a it's a

club and there and it's very nepotistic

club. It's it's like with meta meta laid

off what 10 20 percent of

their work or their engineers.

And then all the sea level execs are

getting they usually get a 75 percent

bonus. They get a 200 percent bonus this

year. And so it's just it's like

literally evil. It really is poorly evil.

No, that's not evil. It's them doing

their job. This is their job. Their job

is to hire and fire people at will. I

think they're doing great. They deserve a

500 percent pay bonus.

It just makes it me more and more like

every. OK. I was like a year ago. I was

like, I want things that

will be as easy as possible.

I'm so like an apple. And so I'm still

sticking kind of with Apple, but I'm also

getting more and more into like Gardner's

world. I better just start doing my own

stuff like I'm kind of just done.

I've been done with Facebook for a while,

but this last year has just made me like

that has to meta. I just test them in a

lot of ways. And so it's pushing me more

and more to eventually I will be fully

set up on the Fed of Earth.

Some like as like an Instagram

replacement, but I just got to get my

wipe over to it. Yeah, she keeps sending

me stuff. Yeah, I'm setting up. I'm

setting up a pixel fed and a mastodon.

The instance for for Mainers. I'm pretty

excited for it. That's awesome. Honestly,

man. Yeah. Vacation land social and

vacation land picks.

They'll be available shortly.

I get them set up. That's awesome. I want

to see the only reason why you have a

Facebook anymore is because a my pants

would be like, well, why do you do? Where

are you? Did you delete your Facebook?

And they would

certainly do that for sure.

And be Facebook marketplace. It's super

useful. I will admit.

Dude, I had an idea for Facebook

marketplace before Facebook marketplace.

I was like, what if you could tie your

your like your selling profile like an

eBay profile, but you could tie it to

your Facebook or your social media

profile. I think that'd be sweet.

It'd be really good. It'd be way to build

replicate reputation. Dude, even if he

did act on it, Facebook would just steal

it. Oh, yeah, of course. Like they stole

those books. And also, and I'm sure they

stole face of marketplace from somewhere.

I remember there used to be a lot of

other. Yeah, there was Craigslist. There

was a offer up. There were a couple

different platforms, I think.

And when it comes to like their UX, I

hate I hate I hate Facebook. I hate it.

So I can't stand getting on there. The

only reason I saw Facebook and it's I

don't post on. I don't do anything on it

really is because of Pete, like friends,

family, people that I don't

really know any other way.

Like if I deleted my Facebook completely,

I would lose contact with them. A hundred

percent. I got to figure out a way to

because that's honestly not sustainable.

That's a really bad way to run your life.

If you're losing like half your

connections in your life or ways to

connect to our contact people because of

one service, that's probably toxic.

So there are a few businesses around here

that don't have websites. They don't have

landline phones. They have Facebook. And

the only way to like schedule an

appointment is to use Facebook Messenger.

Oh, my dude, I'll never patronize your

business. I'm sorry. Talk about losing. I

hate messengers so much. Messenger sucks.

And like, dude, I have one friend. I have

a Facebook profile because I have to

manage like some business profiles for

some companies of mine, some clients of

mine. And I have one friend who still

uses Facebook Messenger. And it's like,

have you tried using Facebook Messenger

through the web recently?

I haven't.

Dude, I don't have the app on my phone. I

won't install it. Yeah. And but if you go

in and try to use the web version, like

no matter what, because I'm on Linux, I

think on Windows, it wasn't doing this.

But when I log in through Brave on Linux,

it always asks me to retype my pin to

like do like an encryption.

And then when I do that, it won't load

the encrypted messages until I like log

out, log back in and then type in my pin

again. It's like, what is happening right

now? Like, everything

seems broken on Facebook.

Facebook was built on a on a pipe drain

button by a guy that dropped out of

college. So but did he drop out of

college? I don't know.

I can't remember, but it was, you know,

it was just a Facebook didn't start

ethically either. Really? No. Yeah. I

think they stole the idea from like, you

guys seen the social media. I don't know

how accurate it is, but like the social

network, the social network. Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, that was pretty. That

was pretty okay. I dug it.

Yeah, you know, they should. You know,

they should do though. I've heard that.

I've heard that thinking about making a

sequel to that. Maybe the social network

to man. That would be so crazy given how

how much like Facebook

meta has changed altogether.

And then Mark Zuckerberg do it. And then

Mark Zuckerberg obsession with AI and the

metaverse. So that'll be interesting to

see. Yeah, they should call

it the anti social network.

That would be that would be good. And

it'd be interesting. The anti social

network come to theaters this summer.

Watch it. I'm X. Right. It would document

basically it should document the the

death of of meta, right? Yeah.

You know, and it'd be cool if it came out

around the same time that meta officially

dies, which I feel is impending. And

speaking of death, the death of the

double a market for games.

Former president of Sony interactive

entertainment. Is it Shuhei Yoshida?

Yeah, yeah. Spoke spoke about the death

of Sony's former Japan studio.

What he chiefly attributes the death of

the studio to evaporating double a market

for AAA games got bigger and bigger and

Indies came in to fill the void. Are

double a games truly dead? Is

the middle class of the dead?

That's a hell of a way to pose that. So

you think high tech so much like the

economy itself, the middle

class of gaming is dying.

And so here. So for those who don't know,

the gaming industry used to not be so

like worked up on the triple a games

like, you know, like the

developers like what's a good one?

What's a good one? But yeah, Capcom,

Capcom is doing a good example. He used

to make the like they made Resident Evil

games. I would consider those triple a

even though the class of the I would

consider those like triple a.

But they also made a bunch of like other

experimental double a games like Okami,

which is getting a which is getting a

sequel actually pretty soon.

And then they also made a like lower a

lot of like lower budget games as well.

They also made like the Mega Man Zero.

They used to make portable games. You

guys remember like back in

the old days of portable gaming?

Like they had to make bespoke versions of

games or just whole new games just for

those platforms because like nowadays,

you know, everyone just releases the same

version of the same game, but like with

slightly worse graphics

on like the switch, right?

But like back in the day, like it would

be a totally different game on the game

like on the Game Boy Advance.

Like you're getting it, right? Yeah. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. So like I think like I'm

inclined to believe that because the

because that portable market sort of like

doesn't exist anymore.

That's double a gaming has just died in

general. So and because of that, triple a

games have been getting bigger and bigger

and any games have become more and more

plentiful to fill in the void.

That said, I do believe there are some

double there are still some there are

still plenty of double a games games that

you know, aren't any games for sure. But

you know, don't really fill in the vault.

Don't don't really qualify as a triple a

game like the Disgaea games. You guys

ever play that you

guys ever played the sky?

Yeah, the Disgaea game. So I guess I'm

guessing Gardner has a play that.

I mean, it's a lesson time. So Disgaea is

a strategy is a strategy RPG kind of like

fire fire a little more a

Final Fantasy tactics almost.

And for the most part, it's pretty well

balanced up until like the end of the

main campaign. And then it goes insane

balls of the wall. There's balls.

It's it is grindy, I will say, but there

are multiple ways to optimize whatever

you're grinding for the maximum level

being level nine hundred and nine nine

thousand nine hundred nine nine.

When you beat the game

at like around level 100.

And there's a lot of different avenues of

power and here's a fun

part. Here's a fun mechanic.

So in order to get sometimes you can get

new features for new like

or characters to create.

You have to go through what is called

what is typically the

Dark Assembly, which is like.

Cons, which is like basically Congress

and and you know, some of them will vote.

Yes, some of them. No, it really depends

on whatever bill you're trying to pass.

You can bribe them with items that you

find or if the bill fails to pass, you

can just fight them and

they're all and it's an advice.

And then this is going off of a tangent

at this point. You

should check it out, though.

It's an interesting series for sure. It

is. Yeah, there. But expect to put a lot

of time into it. It's

super Japanese, I'll say.

And so is that classified as a triple A

then or I mean a double A. I would say

so. Yes, because it's certain. It's certainly not triple A.

It's always felt like where

do I place these games and.

How do you categorize, you know, indeed,

double A, triple A quadruple and it's

always the you know, people have their

different definitions

for this type of stuff.

But yeah, what measures in the et cetera

seat when I think of like double versus

triple A, my mind goes back to like the

PlayStation era when like the original

PlayStation when you would

have like crash team racing.

And that was double A to me. And then

triple A would be like the crash series

or or like or you know, Mario 64 would be

triple A and then Mario

Party would be double A. Right.

That's kind of where my head's at like

the spin off series that they don't put

all the big budget into and they give it

to an outside studio or

like a second party developer.

That's kind of where my head's at with

what a double versus triple is.

I mean, I mean, I think the definition

gets it can also get a little muddled to

you because I think about Pokemon like we

would we can all agree Pokemon is a

triple A franchise, right?

Yeah, but Game Freak themselves are a not

owned by Nintendo. They're an independent

studio. They are now I guess in certain

classifications you can consider them

being in the studio, so to speak.

And sometimes they release games on

Steam. You guys know this. Game Freak

sometimes releases games on Steam.

What games?

There's like a puzzle like platformer

like action game called Giga

Wrecker and that's on Steam.

And then what else? There's another game

on Steam. It's kind of rare that they

make it. It's not that they do make games

that aren't Pokemon sometimes.

Right. Yeah. But like the big question.

But like that's an interesting one

because they have access.

They also partially own one of the

biggest franchises in the not probably

the biggest franchise in

the world right now, Pokemon.

But then they also like are in the like

in the I guess they could categorically

be considered in these developer.

I don't know. It's weird. There's no real

definition. There's no real good

definition because I mean who

did they who develops Hades?

Is it Supermassive or Supergiant or

there's so many names. Supergiant does

Hades. Yeah. Supergiant.

Like they're still considered there in

the studio, but like they're big and

popular enough to where

they like put an eight.

They tried to put a ton of money into

Hades like two. And it makes me wonder if

maybe they are even still

really indie, so to speak.

I mean, I think the studio would qualify

as indie because they're not owned by

like a big publisher or something.

But I would say that the games that

Supergiant makes are double A. Like

that's kind of where modern

double A lives in my mind.

They still have like an independent

spirit. They still are a nimble enough

and have small enough

budgets where they can make.

They can take risks in their game design.

You know, yeah, but by that definition,

Game Freak is an indie studio, too.

They just happen to have access to like

the biggest franchise in the world. And

they also probably own it, too.

Yeah, I think there has to be some kind

of financial constraint on what you

classify as indie as well, because it's

not like it's not like it's not like the

Pokémon Company and Nintendo aren't

financing the development of Pokémon

games like they are.

So like an independent studio has to also

invest their own money into the games

that they're developing. I think that

that's kind of a

critical component of it.

That is fair. Yeah, it's I don't know,

man. It's it's a crazy

it's a crazy world out there.

You know, this reminds me of this reminds

me of that debate with Joff Keighley and

whether or not Dave the Diver should be

classified as an indie game.

Remember that. Remember that. I think

that was before. Was that the last game

award? Or was that the one before that?

I think it was the one before because

Dave the Diver has been

out for a little while.

Yeah. So David. Yes. So David Diver was

nominated for best indie game. Naturally

didn't win with the sea of stars won.

But David Diver was classified as such

despite the fact that it was a not an

indie studio. It was like it's a it's a

subsidy. It's a subsidiary of Nexon and

Nexon is a big company.

They make games like MapleStory and

MapleStory is still pretty big today. So

they're there by no

means in indie studio.

I don't know. The definition. We need

concrete definitions for classifications.

And I mean, let's look at GTA six. Like

GTA six is classified as a triple A game.

But they spend the way more money.

They probably spend way more money on

like the budget than anything else that's

existed like forever. Right.

Like we can all agree that it's going to

be like one of the most

expensive games to be made. Right.

I would imagine. Yeah. I would imagine

though. It's going to be the most

expensive. Yeah. To be

made in probably a long time.

Yeah. Like should we not have a separate

quadruple a category for that?

I would say no, but only because of

principle. Like that's just marketing

jargon to me now. Like, you know, because

I who who was it that we covered a couple

of weeks ago that was like

it's the first quadruple a game.

Ubisoft Ubisoft. Yeah. I mean, it's silly

to call it quadruple. But no, I mean, I

take your point, though. Hi, tech. I

think like, you know, there should be

like echelons of that.

That that titles get ranked into and that

developers get ranked into. And there

should be like clear definitions for

those things. I agree with that.

Yeah. I mean, without that, I mean, what

really is a double a game, but a triple A

game with less of a budget, right?

Right. We need. Yeah. There should be

some like actual. Is it taxonomy for game

development? Like I think that that would

be useful. We should. We should. Yeah. We

should do that. We should make. We should

be the standard. We should make our scale

and then make it official.

Yep. I agree. Let's make a website about

it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's

brainstorm this off screen and we'll talk

about this later when it's right. All

right. Oh, probably. I'm game. So do you

agree with Sony, though? The former head

of Sony Entertainment, Shuhai Yoshida.

That the double a market is dead. Yes, I

don't think so because like I think I

think that there is the possibility that

a double a game can be produced by like

an indie studio. Like I don't think that there's a lot of.

What's the word? There's not a lot of

like massive publishers that are

investing in double a games, but like you

said earlier, high tech, the indie market

has been coming in to

fill that double a space.

Especially as they succeed and get

bigger, they'll eventually create

publishers that then do the double a and

I think we've especially with.

Is it D. D. Revolver? Devolver. Devolver.

That's what is. They're just the way that

they've kind of crashed over the past few

years. They do a lot of crash like meaning they they didn't.

They got rid of a bunch of devs or at

least games, right? Supporting games. And

so and I'd consider them more of a double

a because they do a lot of indie level,

but funded games that are double eight.

This is my. Yeah, that makes sense. I

guess the judge is considered a need, but

like at the same time, though.

It's published by Devolver and kind of

kind of defeats the purpose of being an

indie developer, right? Especially if you have a publisher, right?

It adds safety. So there is a point to

have a publisher if you're trying to make

this a job and you don't want to put a

lot of like Gardner like even myself,

like I would not put my faith in my

skills right now to release a game that

would be able to support me and my family for a while.

And so unless I had funding, but then

even if the game fails, at least I got

paid up to that point. Yeah, so there's a

point to publishers. I think people

sometimes I'm not saying they shouldn't

take it. I mean, that's the word

investors. Yeah, that's a great. Yeah.

And that's the that's the greatness of

double A is that there's a lot of good

games that we are missing out on because

of this perception of the double A

industry is dying. Yeah.

We're triple A. I would say is more dying

than double A. I would agree. Yeah, I

think I think the big differentiator

between what's an indie game and what's a

double A game is is there a publisher involved?

If there's a publisher involved, then

it's a double A game. Probably. If there

isn't, then it's an indie game like

braid. I don't was there a publisher for

braid when it first came out? No, I

believe it was self published. Yeah, I

know. Back when that was back like before the indie label publisher.

Before like Devolver or like Critical

Reflex and some of the others that come

out as a bracelet. Yeah, to me, it's

like, you know, if it's Adult Swim games

or humble had their publishing arm for a

while or Devolver. There's a bunch of

like or big mode from what's his name?

Donkey. The big game. Donkey. Like those

are all double A publishers to me. Like

those would be who I would go to to pitch

an idea and to get funding for a game.

And then if I did that, it wouldn't be an

indie game. It would be a double A game.

Hey, Gardner. Speaking of which, if a big

triple A company like let's say Sega came

to you and wanted to make a sequel to

Doodlings, but was triple A, would you?

Triple A? No. Double A. Yeah. Double A.

Double A. I get the plays the same, but

has better graphics and

like a bunch of sonic cameos.

Dude, I've thought about like what a what

a like a next step for Doodlings would

be. And I actually think it's a pretty

cool idea. So if Sony or or not Sony, but

Sega or any double A publishers wants to

wants to do it, I'm game.

I'll take your money. Yeah, I think

that's a great thing about Sega, too.

Sega is like reinvesting into the like

Capcom is to look for a little bit like

they made. Yeah, they

didn't come to Gani.

They didn't sell nearly as well as like

they're like big triple A games. But I

mean, they still like took the risk. They

made a wholly totally new IP that plays

like nothing else that they made so far.

And Sega is reinvesting back into the

double A market, too. They made like

Streets of Rage 4. They're

making the nation a game.

And even Tecmo Koei is making the new the

2D Ninja Gaiden game, Rage Band with the

guys behind Blasphenous. And honestly, I

think I think there is starting to see

like a return to form

for like older franchises.

And then you speak of Ninja Gaiden, too.

Ninja Gaiden, like Ninja Gaiden. We can

agree it's a triple A franchise, right?

Yeah, would you say? Yeah, I would say

so. At least the main like the main the

main the mainline games. Yeah. But like

we can also agree that it probably

doesn't have nearly as high of a high of

a buzz. Just like some of the other

triple A games out there like Resident

Evil. Certainly not. Right. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, that's that's why I was

thinking. Yeah, that's why I'm going back

to like, there needs to be like specific

like defined categories of like triple A

budgets like what qualifies. And I think

budgets are good one

for certain. I don't know.

I think there's a lot. I think I think

double A games are starting to see a

resurgence despite the fact that

something killed off the Japan studio. I

think that was a big mistake. And I think

many of those guys went on to make a SOTY